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First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter?
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I'm planning my first trip on shrooms.  I'm planning to do it myself, with someone close as a sober tripsitter.  I'd like to ask experienced trippers whether one would be prone to blurting out things to the tripsitter that should not be said.  For example, let's say your tripsitter is your girlfriend.  While tripping, would you admit to her that you've been unfaithful?  Or, say the tripsitter is your best friend.  Would you tell him about the time you slept with his girlfriend?  (These are just hypothetical examples.  Not my situation.)

What about less dramatic truths, for example, let's say you have some views of your tripsitter that you haven't had the heart to say to him before, for example, that he isn't cut out for his job or that his girlfriend is not good for him.  Would you be more prone to blurting out your views which might end up hurting him?

I know that psilocybin is not a truth serum or anything, and it doesn't seem to loosen inhibitions the way that alcohol does, but I have been lurking on these forums for a long time and have read a lot of trip reports and it seems like one might end up saying things one would regret.  Also, just conceptually, as your ego fades, I'd think that you'd care less and less about the real world repercussions of saying certain things to your tripsitter.  Will I retain enough of my sense of self and my connection to reality to know that there are things that should not be said?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: Sun-n-Rain]
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You will be in an open and vulnerable state-- make sure you are with someone you trust completely.
If you have cheated, and are thinking about it as you type this question, stone cold sober, then you may very well bring it up under that mind state.

While I would always advise honesty, you're risking an unwanted situation by introducing that under the influence.

Your call-- I've never been in a situation where I had to conceal a lie that big with someone I was with-- as I've never cheated on a lover.

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: coAsTal] * 1
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Edited by thetechnician (07/13/20 12:05 PM)

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: thetechnician]
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Thanks for your comments.  I'm now thinking that maybe my best approach would be to trip alone, with my tripsitter in another room, available in an emergency, but basically not interacting with me.  Does that sound like a good idea in my situation?

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: Sun-n-Rain]
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How much are you taking, and do you have any experience at all with similar substances? I'm just not seeing it - that door is going to open eventually. :tongue2:

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: thetechnician]
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You will know-- very acutely--that someone is in the other room.
You will not want to be bound to a room.

Take a smallish dose--maybe 1.5--2 grams--and do it alone with a good music playlist, some mellow mood lighting, and some plants. I think you'll be more than fine. The sitter isn't needed, unless you are mentally unstable enough to have one required-- this is only my opinion, and others are free to disagree, but the only tenet of common recommendations I've always disagreed with was having a sober person there when tripping-- if you're doing low-moderate amounts, it's a distraction from the experience that causes "how do I look to this person/am I being 'weird' etc..." that's a wasted and pointless crutch for the majority of people.

Set and setting is all you need for your first time-- keep the dose low/moderate, and do it alone.

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: coAsTal]
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Neither things are absolute. It's not impossible to be only self aware and have that time just fly by.

OP just follow your own intuition. You know who you are. If you say something you regret, then it was something in your heart that you need to deal with regardless. Just let things proceed naturally, that is the best way you will enjoy yourself and benefit from the experience. My only real suggestion is to find a nice spot by a river and aborb what the world has for you. Have fun! And try not to worry. Or do, and try to think about why you worry so much. :smile:

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: larry.fisherman]
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XLCaps said:
Have fun! And try not to worry. Or do, and try to think about why you worry so much. :smile:



Nice--

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: thetechnician]
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thetechnician said:
How much are you taking, and do you have any experience at all with similar substances? I'm just not seeing it - that door is going to open eventually. :tongue2:


This would be my first time with any psychedelics.  (I've used marijuana 2-3x before, but I don't consider it to be a psychedelic.)  I had been planning to start with a moderate dose: 2.5 or 3 grams.

Or do you all think I should just follow Coastal's suggestion and start with a small 1.5-2.0 gram dose?

Thanks for everyone's advice.

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: Sun-n-Rain]
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I would not go below 2g and not more than 3.5. For a first timer.
2.5g is a normal starter dose. Enough to feel it, not too much to freak out.

Everyone reacts differently, though. But usually shrooms are a good time. Expect some fun times, much laughter and happynes.

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: Pandemoon]
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I'd caution much lower for a first dose.

I've seen people sensitive enough that a ~1g dose had them  fully immersed in actual hallucinations(not simply visuals) past the 8 hour mark.

^That's a rather unusually strong reaction, however it's entirely possible. 

My recommendation would be to take 1-1.5g by yourself and just have a friend agree to be available in case you need assistance or want company and put them on speed dial.

Have a great time!


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Everything i say is completely hypothetical...


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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: Hobbyist]
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Personally I think the experience and potency is too variable to give anyone a dose you are sure of how they will react to it. Personally I find low doses to be wrought with anxiety, whereas higher ones have less anxiety but much more headfuck. Either one could be a difficult experience for a new user but depending on the person, the appropriate dosage could vary immensely. Just as well there are lots of threads with people being disappointed by a weak first experience.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong, I'm just pointing out to the OP that no one can no for sure and he will have to feel it out on his own, regardless of what anyone says.

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: larry.fisherman]
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Ok, I think that I will trip alone on my first trip, with a tripsitter available but not present.  Again, thanks to everyone for their advice.  I do feel very lucky that I'm able to tap into this knowledgeable and supportive community.

As for the dosage, some people have suggested a low dose since it would be my first psychedelic experience, and others have suggested a medium dose.

I consulted the protocol of the recent Johns Hopkins psilocybin study.
  • The tripsitter met with the subject four times before the sessions, to "develop and maintain rapport and trust".

  • Low-fat breakfast before the session.  (Maybe fat slows absorption?)

  • Two tripsitters per subject.  (Seems like overkill, but since this was the first academic study of psilocybin in decades, they wanted to be extra safe.)

  • "Aesthetic living-room-like environment".

  • "For most of the time during the session, the participant was encouraged to lie down on the couch, use an eye mask to block external visual distraction, and use headphones through which a classical music program was played."

  • "The participants were encouraged to focus their attention on their inner experiences throughout the session."

  • "If a participant reported significant fear or anxiety, the monitors provided reassurance verbally or physically (e.g., with a supportive touch to the hand or shoulder)."

Unfortunately for me, trying to figure out dosage, the study's dosage was based on pure psilocybin: it was 30 mg of psilocybin per 70 kg body weight.  "The dose of psilocybin (30 mg/70 kg) was selected as a high safe dose based on non-blind (Malitz et al. 1960; Metzner et al. 1965; Leuner 1981) and blind (Pahnke 1963, 1969) studies conducted with hallucinogen-naive individuals in the 1950sā€“1960s."

I weigh about 70 kg -- and hey, I am "hallucinogen-naive" too! -- so this sounds like a good dose for me.  I was going to figure out how much mushroom gives me 30 mg of psilocybin, but the problem (as I'm sure you experienced shroomers already knew), mushrooms are very variable in potency.  Wikipedia says "the concentrations of psilocin and psilocybin...were determined to be in the range of 0.14ā€“0.42% and 0.37ā€“1.30% (dry weight) in the whole mushroom".  Converting the psilocin into psilocybin based on their molecular weights, this means that dry mushrooms are 0.56-1.88% psilocybin equiv.  This range is too wide to be useful.  It translates to 1.6-5.3 grams of dried mushrooms.  It seems unscientific to just take the midpoint.  Buuuut, if I do, the midpoint is about 3.5g!

By the way, except for the tripsitter stuff, I plan to use the other points of the Johns Hopkins protocol: the eye mask, classical music, and hrm, I might even construct myself an aesthetic living-room-like environment.  :tongue:

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: Sun-n-Rain]
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3.5 grams isn't a bad starting point in my opinion but I like to trip hard.  That is the maximum I would suggest for a first timer though.  You don't want to dose too high which increases the chance of going into a bad trip, but at the same time you don't want to dose too low and not get the full experience.  A bad trip won't kill you though and difficult trips can be just as rewarding, possibly even more rewarding, than easy trips once you have time to absorb it.  So as long as you are confident in your ability to handle it I say error on the high dose side.  If you lack that confidence though then lower the dose.

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: Cloaked Dagger]
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You are correct and wise to point out the variability of strength-- I maintain my advice of starting at or near 2g as a good start point--if for no other reason than to test the strength of your supply and see if you are even in need of taking more. It's not like it's the only time you will be able to do this, and I know for sure the exactly 2.09g I did (along with a gf) my very first time were spellbinding for both of us.
A full eighth oz (3.5g) is going to be very strong-- unless they're pretty weak shrooms.

Here's another important thing to understand-- going from 3g to 3.5g isn't necessarily going to feel like "just a teenth more"-- it can push you over the speed-bump that takes you from "immersive" to "holy shit". Whether this is good or not is in the experience of the beholder.

This "speedbump" for you and/or the shrooms you have can be anywhere along the way-- and depends on all the variables. It can happen from 1.5 to 2, 2.5 to 3, and so forth.

I do agree that 1.5 is light, and 2 is most likely a better starting point-- but I know from many years of experience that if you dial up the right shrooms, 1.5 can send you into what an eighth of another type can't touch.

Best of luck--

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: coAsTal]
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For me, shrooms is a bonding drug. Whenever I trip with friends, we become totally comfortable and open with each other. We usually talk about life and the future. You're really able to self-examine yourself and your life while on shrooms. You're able to think about yourself or problems you may be having from a different perspective.

To further answer your question, no, I don't think you're going to divulge truths that you'd like to keep secret. While on shrooms, I often remember old memories from my childhood. (They weren't good ones), but I've never felt inclined to tell my tripping buddy(ies) about my childhood, or anything that I don't want to talk about.

And by the way. Why do you want a trip-sitter? You really don't need one. You're not going to overdose or act insane.

This is my favorite way to trip alone:
- Consume mushrooms (PERSONALLY, I try to take them before 1PM, because I can't sleep if I take shrooms at night.)
- Play my psychedelic music (I highly recommend Tame Impala. My buddies and I love tripping to their music.)
- Just relax. Sit back and lose yourself in the music and drift away.


And before you ask: I act totally normal on any dose under 2g. More than 2g and someone might could barely tell Im tripping. However, one of my tripping buddies can do like 6+ grams and I usually can't tell until he says he's tripping. But he's like that with all drugs. I can never tell when he's drunk or tripping.

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Re: First trip: will I say things I might regret to my tripsitter? [Re: AnonXO]
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AnonXO said:
And by the way. Why do you want a trip-sitter?



This is a good question.  After thinking about it for a while, I realize that what I eventually want is to trip together with my SO.  You wrote: "For me, shrooms is a bonding drug. Whenever I trip with friends, we become totally comfortable and open with each other. We usually talk about life and the future. You're really able to self-examine yourself and your life while on shrooms."  This is really appealing to me, and I want to do this with my SO.  However, I am afraid that I will be so open that I say things I will regret.  I want to be open ... but in a controlled way.  Not sure if that is possible.  The way that you describe yourself on shrooms, you are able to filter out what you don't want to say to your buddies as you trip -- I hope that I'd be like that but I'm not sure if I'll react to shrooms the same way as you.  I am afraid I might blurt stuff out that might jeopardize or pollute our relationship, which is right now quite healthy.

I posted my original question on Reddit as well, and someone replied: "It's unpredictable. For the unpleasant truths, there is a risk you might speak them. Also, intentionally hiding them may push you into an unpleasant or bad part of the trip. It depends on you."  He continued: "Close friends or significant others [are good tripsitters], although SOs are perhaps not ideal for your first trip. After your first trip you'll have a better sense of what it's like and whether you can handle your thoughts. (It can also be a great experience to trip with an SO, but for a variety of reasons, IMHO it shouldn't be the first trip of both people, and you shouldn't expect to necessarily work on/confront your own personal issues when you're doing a mutual trip.)"

So now my grand plan is to trip alone first, and figure out the strength of my mushrooms and how I handle psilocybin.  Then, if everything seems ok, I'll invite my SO along the next time.

Now to grow some mushrooms...  :wowz:

(By the way, about the Tame Impala video you linked to, wow, trippy!  That part starting at 0:45, with the doors continuously opening, is what I imagine a trip will be like.  (I'm saying this as a "hallucinogen-naive individual" though!))

(Also, Coastal, thank you for your thoughtful advice.)

Edited by Sun-n-Rain (05/31/17 11:40 AM)

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