CookieCrumbs said:

Anecdotal accounts together add up to an idea of collective behavior tho.



Since I mentioned it I am curious of how dog attacks are in other countries. I mean countries similar to the US that don't have loads of strays and packs of starving abandoned dogs and animal cruelty laws.

Cuz as far as a culture goes we seem to be one of the most violence prone societies in the "free world" and I'm wondering if that could correlate with our pets being more violent as well. Or if we actually manage to have less attacks than similar countries due to some factors I haven't considered.

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pineninja said:

CookieCrumbs said:

Anecdotal accounts together add up to an idea of collective behavior tho.



Since I mentioned it I am curious of how dog attacks are in other countries. I mean countries similar to the US that don't have loads of strays and packs of starving abandoned dogs and animal cruelty laws.

Cuz as far as a culture goes we seem to be one of the most violence prone societies in the "free world" and I'm wondering if that could correlate with our pets being more violent as well. Or if we actually manage to have less attacks than similar countries due to some factors I haven't considered.

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Our little tit for tats have hardly been scientific.

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Psh science

There is a measure of science to anecdotal reports. Similar ones have been used for the statistics quoted in this thread.



Psi: yes there is a genetic factor and I think it could be because pits have been used and bred for dog fighting for forever now, and that's still going on. Whereas all the other dangerous breeds, Rottweilers pinchers shepherds and chows have all become primarily family dogs in the last few decades. Their role of aggression and selective breeding for agression has died down alot in the last generation or 2. In pits aggression absolutely was bred into the breed and there is such a thing as genetic memory.

There's a reason Labrador retrievers are considered the go to dog for a family with young children. They have always been bred for loyalty and obedience.


The truth is pit bulls are high maintenance dogs. They need an experienced responsible owner than knows what the fuck they're doing. And unfortunately the kind of person that is most likely to desire and pay well for the breed is the kind of person who probably shouldn't even be trusted to be responsible for themselves (my teenaged brother included.)

vandago said:

1234go said:

Shut up, morrow.

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You better watch it.  Morrow can flip a 100 lb weimaranar over in the middle of an attack, and he lifts it by it's legs....even though that dog commonly gets hip displaxia, and you shouldn't lift a dog by it's legs.....

.....that post honestly made me cringe as to how kennel workers may treat these beasts too.

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psi said:

I figure that whatever factors are common to the dogs involved in fatal attacks or maimings probably are not necessarily shared by all members of their respective breeds. IMO the "it's 100% nurture and 0% nature" explanation for trends by breed in serious attacks hasn't been supported here with very solid arguments though, and I think it is quite possible that there is a genetic component to the trend. Again though, such a genetic factor could well even be absent in most individuals of the breed, and still contribute to a disproportionate rate of serious attacks for that breed in the stats.

The idea that bad owners are drawn to certain breeds with a reputation for being tough does make sense as a partial explanation, but I don't think it really makes sense as a sole explanation for such extreme disparities between breeds as are seen in those stats that were posted. Any medium sized to large dog is physically capable of killing and maiming humans, and for any given breed there are going to be owners who abuse them or fail to train them properly.

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Alexthegreat said:

I really wonder how many people who love to spit all these statistics actually have owned one of the many breeds considered a "pit bull". If someone hasn't owned the breed, their input can only go so far in my mind.

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I used to, his name was Bongo, and he was gentle and I had a good experience with him. He wasn't even neutered, and he was still pretty chill.

With that said, my sister's dog was also viciously attacked and almost killed by a pit bull, and I am still one of those people that exercises more caution and fear of pit bulls in general. I would definitely never own a pit bull around small children or other pets.

Here is a picture.

pineninja said:

How much do you weigh?

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You don't ask a woman how much she weighs fool 




G: how did your sister's dog get attacked? did you know the dog that attacked it? even if it was perfectly trained it shouldn't have been loose. That's part of what we're talking about when we say it's the owner's fault. Not often these days a dog does bad things because its owner beats it, it's often cuz the owner is ignorant and/or irresponsible.

No one that has experience with dogs that are the size and have the strength of a pit keeps it on a normal leash or a light chain. Alot of people seem to think they're Labradors with a bad reputation. And they can be 10x sweeter than any lab. But then I've also been dragged down an entire flight of steps by one of those sweetheart pits after he saw a cat.

I probably won't get a pit bull myself either. But it's not cuz I think they're bad dogs. They need an owner that is more capable than me. Between my health and random bouts of depression I'm doubtful I'd be able to give any high maintenance dog the attention and activity it needs.

Difference between me and alot of pit owners, alot of pet owners in general, is I have the self awareness to admit that.

CookieCrumbs said:

G: how did your sister's dog get attacked? did you know the dog that attacked it? even if it was perfectly trained it shouldn't have been loose. That's part of what we're talking about when we say it's the owner's fault. Not often these days a dog does bad things because its owner beats it, it's often cuz the owner is ignorant and/or irresponsible.

No one that has experience with dogs that are the size and have the strength of a pit keeps it on a normal leash or a light chain. Alot of people seem to think they're Labradors with a bad reputation. And they can be 10x sweeter than any lab. But then I've also been dragged down an entire flight of steps by one of those sweetheart pits after he saw a cat.

I probably won't get a pit bull myself either. But it's not cuz I think they're bad dogs. They need an owner that is more capable than me. Between my health and random bouts of depression I'm doubtful I'd be able to give any high maintenance dog the attention and activity it needs.

Difference between me and alot of pit owners, alot of pet owners in general, is I have the self awareness to admit that.

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Nobody knows the dog nor the owner of the dog that attacked it. It was a stray pit bull that was unleashed and roaming around, and it came out of nowhere and suddenly attacked my sister's dog while she was walking her dog.

My sister realized her dog was going to die if she kept him on the leash, so she let go, knowing that he's a fast little critter, and his only chance of survival would be to run away fast.

Poor thing ran away and it took her hours to find him. He was hiding inside a bush whimpering when he was found. He's only a 10lb dog so he had to be stitched up for several injuries at the vet, including a big picture wound in his neck.

I have seen videos of even leashed pitbulls biting dogs however.

What kind of leash are you supposed to put that sort of dog on, a choke chain with spikes or something? I thought you weren't supposed to use those on dogs?

Are you supposed to put them on one of these?

CookieCrumbs said:

pineninja said:

CookieCrumbs said:

Anecdotal accounts together add up to an idea of collective behavior tho.



Since I mentioned it I am curious of how dog attacks are in other countries. I mean countries similar to the US that don't have loads of strays and packs of starving abandoned dogs and animal cruelty laws.

Cuz as far as a culture goes we seem to be one of the most violence prone societies in the "free world" and I'm wondering if that could correlate with our pets being more violent as well. Or if we actually manage to have less attacks than similar countries due to some factors I haven't considered.

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Our little tit for tats have hardly been scientific.

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Psh science

There is a measure of science to anecdotal reports. Similar ones have been used for the statistics quoted in this thread.
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passifloracaerulea said:

If your dog is known to be aggressive to other dogs then keep the fucking monster on a god damn leash! If you can't control your dog 100% then I will in the situation. The last dog off leash that attacked my leashed shiba (at my side btw) got an 18" construction prybar across it's face. Leash your fucking dogs if you don't like aggressive humans reacting to your shitty off leash and out of control dogs! Fuck!!! The last pair of off leash dogs that decided to harass me and my dog got their feet stomped on and a pissed off asshole owner who almost got murdered by me. FUCK OFF LEASH DOGS!

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