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Racism in your life and community
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Lets talk. Racism is real and blatently going on all over America. How do you deal with overt and casual racism in your life and in your community? How does it affect you? Have you ever been the victim of racists?

Lately I've ben becoming more aware of casual racism in my community. Sports names for instance. Th Cleveland Indians with their Chief Wahoo mascot and the Atlanta Braves which mocks the Indians religion in their tomahawk chop, and the very neme of the Washington Redskins which is a reference to when the US Gov purchased the scalps of Indians for money but the scalps had to have some red skin attached to prove it wasen't a white man's scalp.

American Indians seem to be the most ridiculed by popular society today. I can't imagine the public supporting a sports team called the Cheap Jews or the Alabama niggers. But when it's ridiculing our Indian brothers it's a completely double standard. And lately I've been finding it somewhat sickening.

The public seems to enjoy mocking the heritage of minorities like this. It popular and cool. That doesn't make it right, and it must stop.


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And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I wish I was an indian, for halloween I was at least. I got drunk and yelled at every white person at the party for the injustices done to my people. I was ready to pull out my tomahawk and mow down some doughboys. But maybe it was the firewater...

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I am around people that make jokes about different races and occasionally ill throw in a joke or two.. i wouldnt consider this racist... i joke about white people a hell of alot more
i think alot of people of all races are equally stupid and close minded

sometimes i hear more black jokes than i'd like to hear, but im not gonna stand up and preach cuz i know the people (in most cases) dont actually mean anything, theyre just tryin to be funny.

yea i see where your comin from with the sports teams thing... its seems pretty lame to throw it their faces like that considering all the horrible shit that was done to them very recently in this country
actually now that i think about it, it makes me downright furious


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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not too long ago, there was a raid in a houston parking lot, and i was arrested for no reason, anyways. im mexican (been in the US for 7 years now) and while we were in jail, all the cops were treatin us like shit (most of them where white) and where saying things like, "fuckin wetbacks" and "what the fuck, did they raid little mexico?" and damn it makes u feel like shit. most of the ppl arrested where hispanic and black, some white and like 2 asians. we are currently undergoing a civil law suit agains the city of houston, since there was no reason to arrest 275 ppl and some of us sueing for racism. RACISM SUX :mad:


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: RoJoCaBRitO]
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They arrested 275 people in a parking lot for no reason?

What was the charge, "being Mexican?"


Regarding the sports teams, it doesn't really bother me too much.  I don't think it's done in a mocking fashion.  I think it's more about cultural icons, and stereotypes, then a deliberate attempt to mock the Indians.

Do the New Orleans Saints offend Catholics?  They have a crucifix on their helmets :blush:.

Notre Dame call themselves "the Fighting Irish."  Does that imply that all Irish people like to fight?  Their mascot is a leprochaun...is that offensive to the mythology of old Ireland?

I don't see how picking a team mascot and symbol is meant to mock anything.  Ideally, wouldn't you want to pick a symbol that is respected, that your players would be proud of?

You don't see teams calling themselves the Miami Morons, or the Dallas Nosediggers.



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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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yea but we didn't go to ireland, kill off their people and then make a sports team there

obviously theyre not deliberately mocking indians, maybe just being a little ignorant. if someone was conscious of all the harm done to them they'd probably think twice before naming that team

anyways, the sports team example isn't really worth arguing in my opinion, cuz its just a freakin name

people can think all they want, i can't change that even if it pisses me off.. the direct physical and verbal racism is what i'd preach against

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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the cops were supposed to crack down on street racing, so they raided a parking lot where "racers" hang out. im not even from houston, and we were just cruising by, sight seeing , they told us to stop the car, get out and they arrested us too. the charges were "attempt to tresspass," the charges got dropped before court day since the cops had no legitimate reason to arrest all those ppl since no body was actually racing and it was a peacefull gathering and the owner of the parking lot had not complained or asked to stop this gathering. they didnt read us our right either and we had to wait to be bused to the police station for a total of 5 hours in the parking lot while handcuffed with (extremely tight) plastic ties. they also made me sit in a puddle of water for no reason.


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: RoJoCaBRitO]
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Well, that does suck.



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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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IMO racism is not a big problem. Sure, people make racist jokes and references, but that's just part of life. Look around you and you can see people of all different colors and religions, getting along fine. And it's improving with every generation. I will concede that there are people who are racist, and parts of the country which are also more racist than others, but hey, people have their own opinions and I respect that. Just don't take it to heart when someone says "nigger" and the word loses its meaning.

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Grav]
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We didn't come here, kill a bunch of Indians and name a sports team after them either.

Well, maybe you did, but I assure you I was born here and the Indians were mostly already dead at that time.

You are right. They are just names. I don't really see a whole lot of harm coming from it.


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Yeah, I don't want to get too politically correct with all the team names and stuff, but I do have very little patience for racism in general. If someone starts off with that kind of material in front of me, I usually make a mental note, and don't associate with them in the future. Most racists in my opinion are ignorant, scared, losers, and life is too short to hang out with idiots. :smile:


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: RoJoCaBRitO]
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Was it a Wal-Mart parking lot?

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: frogsheath]
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That's funny...races used to be set up in the parking lot of our local Walmart.


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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The good old days. I don't think it's racist to bust 225 kids in a parking lot but I wasn't there so...

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: frogsheath]
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i never said anything about arresting us because they were racist... i said, they were racist, once we were in jail. it was at a K-Mart parking lot, it was a big deal there in houston.


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Don't forget about the Fightin' Whities!  :grin: :grin: :grin:

I think we should name fewer sports teams after indians, and start naming more SCHOOLS after them.


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: RoJoCaBRitO]
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That's a crazy situation.  Sorry you got busted for nothing.  I recently got busted (for making a u-turn).  They made me drive to the station to get the ticket.  Then they took a while getting there.  When they did get there they had some guy in cuffs.  I argued with the cop at the station :crazy:.  I have to go to court now.  I just hope the cop doesn't show cuz I'm on supervision for blowing a red light.  :crazy:  It was illegal (the u-turn) only cuz I was less than 100 feet from an intersecting side-street.  But you had it much worse I see.  275 kids, some in cars, in a parking lot would be dispersed you would think.  They actually wasted everyone's time doing the paperwork??? 

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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> I think we should name fewer sports teams after indians, and start naming more SCHOOLS after them.

Tru Dat! :cool:



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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Racism, true racism, is a disease. I've grown up in an ultra conservative town, in an ultra conservative county in a ultra conservative state. I've seen a lot of racism  in my limited number of years on this planet. I don't want to turn this in to a conservative vs. liberal debate, but IME, every truely racist person that I have met has been extremly conservative.......but anyway.

As I've said I've grown up around a lot of racism. My parents are not racist whatsoever, and I was raised not to judge somebody by outward appearences. "You can't judge a book by it's cover." Though it is very cliched, it is very true. Growing up, it was always very difficult to meet people who held my views. I have know people who are racist, and though I don't think that I would call them friends, I try not to hold their opinions against them. However, I have found racism is a disease. It breeds. It infects. If you surround yourself with a disease, eventually you will find yourself infected, no matter how strong your immune system. Eventually I found myself infected, ever so slightly, yet, infected. My girlfriend's mother is extremly biggoted and racist. I could see her at a KKK meeting, however oddly enough, her husband is of Jewish decent, and their last name shows it. Over 15 years ago, they had a cross burned in their front yard. They had been a victim of racism and biggotry, and oddly enough she is probably the biggest biggot I have ever met. She passed her biggotry down to her daughter, my girlfriend. On many occasions it has nearly become a breaking point in our relationship. Over our six years she has gotten better, but she is still bad. Being with her has impacted me for the worse in some ways. Often I feel sick.

I do not like to surround myself with casual racism either. It is just as bad.

I've never been a direct target of racism per se. Being a white male, in the US, I have been afforded afforded this luxury by mere chance. However, I am of Polish/Jewish/French/Canadian decent. Hell, a entire joke book could probably be written on Polish/Jewish/French/Canadians. What can i do? It dosn't bother me much. I like the reaction I get from somebody who just told me a polock joke when I tell them I am of ploish descent. If you've never seen a face turn 100 shades of red, I highly recomend it.

The issue with the sports teams bothers me a bit. If the Indians feel offended then I believe that something should be done about it. It goes beyond somebody having a racist viewpoint.

You know R_G, this is a semi-liberal outlook you've taken. Are you sick or something?  :wink: :tongue: :grin: 


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I think you need to loosen up a little.

Try not to be offended by everything you see. It really helps in life.

The world is too politically correct as it is.


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
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I don't view being fair as semi-liberal. I view it as being fair and just. I try to be compassionate and gentle, when possible, but realistic and harsh when necessary. However, like you said, it's not a conservative or liberal thing. But if I said anything liberal it must be the carbon monoxide had affected me a little.  :wink:


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: ShroomSkin]
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I?m not offended but I know it?s not right. Are you saying this is not a silly looking racist charicture?

It is racist and perpetuates a racist stereotype. Same goes for the Atlana Braves Tomahawk chop and the worst of all the Washington Redskins which celebrates genocide against the Indians.


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And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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It's exactly the same as those old big ginnin' negro pictures that were on products and ads, what, fifty years ago? Now we think that shit is pretty sick, and so will future generations, if not ours, consider this example of Indian mocking sick.

One of my best friends is native, so I've hung out with a lot of natives over the past year in particular. His skin isn't red, but he looks a lot like that Cleveland dude--he even grins all the time. Actually, it's a pretty accurate picture as far as cartoons go. Why should Natives be discriminated against? Can't they be charicatured, and featured in the mainstream? The real problem is the way we actually regard them, and the conditions of many of the reservations. The history of it all is straight up awful. Some tribes' history is pretty damn bad as well. It's all a crapshoot.


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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How is it racist? Because it's a charicature of an Indian?

If it was a big grinning white dude, would that be racist against white people?

Or a grinning Jew?

What's the racist statement in the characature? Indians smile too much?

I'm not offended by Aunt Gemima (sp) either...


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1041336 -

yeah man, i can relate.
i dont realy care no more about it since its so submurged in where i live.
yesterday a friend brought her boyfriend or somthing. a soldier, telling us about a scene. there was a gathering and there was this guy leading this whole 'riot'. they shot a rubber bullet. he fell and then stood up and continued. got shot again and contuinued. then his commanding officer shot him, with a real bullet. all he could say was how funny it was, and how u would expect it would be dramatic, but he just fell...
man.

and another story from another soldier that his job is to break prison riots. he just walks aorund beating people up. somtimes kills a cat.
the prisoners fuck cats there...  their all in one etnathi.

anyway - this whole racism thing is kinda everywhere. there are places that cameras dont get into and all kinda shit happening, racism is kinda unseprable from it all.

i even kinda enjoy a little hearing these things, like i like to hear about an earthquake or a good horror headline. dosnt everyone?  :tongue:

a growin original

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Nice thread Rail, I appreciate it.

As you know I live in Cleveland Indians territory but you may not have not known I am Native American.

Fuck the fucking Cleveland Indians! :mad:  They need to lose every game until they change the logo!

Sometimes I hear whites make really stupid racist comments and laugh.  Other times I want to beat their head in with a stick.

One of the best baseball caps I ever saw was worn by a brother.  It was a picture of a Native on a horse with a crossbow cocked and ready and said, "What if?"

Now don't get me wrong.  I also recognize that groups of people have various cultural attributes but I don't consider that to be racist.

Again, thanks for the thread,

Hau Kola

Mitakuye Oyasin, 

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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A very good post Rail_Gun nice read, and some wonderful responses. I agree totally with papaver and enjoyed the post by I_Fart_blue. I myself have no tolerance for racism or the type of racial profiling described by one poster of Mexican descent. On the other hand I cant stand the exploitation of the sins of the past. For instance I for one think that the practice of slavery was inhuman and horrible but I for one never owned a slave nor do I know of anyone who does. So some people must get over the use of the crutch ?the suffering of my people? because it is ancient history!


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: ]
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Yeah mang! I'm like 1/6th Cherokee...


They're like "where's my 40 acres and a mule", and I'm like Git offa my property, and where's my herd o' bison?

Ya know?


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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I still want my reparations from what the Romans did to some of my ancestors in England and France 2000 years ago. I know the Vatican has a lot of loot. They should share the wealth...


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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yes, my family has been a victim of racism in our neighbourhood. we live in a predominantly "white christian" neighbourhood in California and there have been two instances where we've had to call the police. The first instance happened to my grandparents...one evening they heard a loud crashing sound and they went to investigate what happened. well, a swastika made from dog shit was put on their front door and the culprits also started a fire on their front lawn with gasoline. The good thing about this incident though was that the neighbours were pretty helpful towards my grandparents and it somewhat strengthen the bond between all the neighbours (everyone looks out for each other).

The second incident(s) has been ongoing for years now. Our family built a black bottom pool when we first moved into our house. Our backyard neighbours copied us by building a black bottom pool too and also copied our landscape plans (same trees, plants, grass area etc). Due to this "backyard rivalry" they used to throw dog shit, potatoes, worms into our pool. There have been plenty of times when our neighbours have shouted out things such as "FUCKING FILIPINOS" and "GOD DAMN CHINKS." Well, one day my dad caught the neighbour throwing shit into our yard whilst he was making some derrogatory comments. My dad finally got really irritated by this, climbed the dividing wall, ran after our neighbour and said something along the lines of "if i ever catch you doing this again i'm going to cut your nuts off" My mom at this stage paniced and called the police. The police just told us to resolve hte problem on our own with the neighbours. The next week our neighbours came to our front door with a basket of fruit and asked us to "pray with them." fucking weirdos...at least they don't throw shit into our pool now...my dad had a videocamera setup at our backyard sliding door for weeks monitoring whether or not they'd throw shit into our pool..

now this was a personal experience which i will never forget. i had come back home for summer holiday - the same summer when a man went into a jewish children's centre and started shooting at kids. This incident happened only about 2 miles away from where I live. Anyways, we have an intercom system throughout the house. When i was home alone I heard a guy say through the intercom, "YOU FUCKING JEWS WE'RE GONNA GET YOU" I got so shit scared thinking that someone was in the house that i ran to the kitchen and took the biggest knife i could find. I then went to fetch our german shepherd to accompany me throughout the house to search for whomever said that on the intercom. I searched the whole house and nothing...no one in the house. I locked all the doors and kept a knife by my side. An hour later, the same person was on the intercom system saying hte same words. I quickly ran to the window near the front door and noticed a car driving past. That's when it clicked in my head...these people had tapped into the frequency of our intercom system and possibly all the intercom systems of all the houses near us and was randomly saying these words to see if it'll stir some people up. I thought, oh yeah duh, i thought something was wrong...we're not a jewish family...heh


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Papaver]
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The thing is Paps that the f*ing whites still have their jack boots on our necks.  I get pretty sick and tired of it.  That f***er Clinton saw fit to pardon half the criminals he worked with at the last minute but when it came to Leonard Peltier, who was asked to be pardoned by EVERYONE up to and including Mother Teresa, he let Leonard rot in prison. :mad:  The courts will not allow evidence from the FBI files that clears Leonard of any wrong doing!

F*ing  whities anyways 

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: ]
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in regards to the sports teams- i grew up in Washington DC area, they changed our basketball team from the washington bullets to the washington wizards after a little discusion of it being bad for the community or for whatever to have a bullet, but the controversy about our redskins team went on for years, and they never changed it. but wizards....hm.....could be the klan......its stupid.

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: MsPacMan]
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> but wizards....hm.....could be the klan......its stupid.

It could also be considered anti-pagan or anti-wiccan... :wink:


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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Papaver]
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lol. yea. damn racists. they're everywhere.

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: ]
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I don't know who Leonard is but I do know that the wrongful inprisonment of one man does not = the slaughter of thousands.

Politicians, cops, whatnot suck. It's got nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with the thirst for power.

I will tell you one thing. I have noticed a lot of racism around my area lately and I don't like it. It strikes me as odd that this thing is such a big deal still, but I think that it is being eradicated, slowly.

Of course the Muslims are gonna be prejudiced against for quite some time.

Bah, I dunno. There are more important things to worry about.

The question is, is it still likely for any man or woman in this country to be born in a ghetto and die in at least a middle-class home if he works hard and is smart enough despite his race?

I say that it is. So what else matters, really?


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Racism in your life and community [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I know I'll get flamed for this, but here goes. I am not a racist per say. I am definately predjudiced about a lot of people however. I try and judge a person by how he or she presents themselves. Good people are good people and bad people are bad people regardless of their color or lineage. I do have a problem with Indian sympathizers who wail and moanabout how the native americans were fucked and we should give it all back. I say too fucking bad. It's all history now. The Indians, like it or not, are a conquered people. They are not unique in this regard, but in the fact that they weren't all killed outright or sold into slavery like most of history's vanquished peoples. Yeah they were here first, but the Europeans and later Americans came, kicked their asses and took what we wanted. The fact that the Indians were given any reservation lands at all speaks to the fact that there were at least some individuals in the government who didn't want to wipe them out completely. Shit happens. The strong conquer the weak. Waxing poetic about the noble savage is nice and all, but they simply couldn't stand up to superior numbers and firepower. I'm not proud of the way the Indians have been treated, but hey at least they are still here. The same could also be said about the people in this country now if there is ever an invasion or uprising and we are too weak too fend off the attack. Then we will be the conquered, and will have our fate determined by others. So I guess what I'm saying is that this is history. All the wailing and wringing of hands isn't going to change anything. If the Indians can ever muster up a challenge and take the land back, more power to them. Aint going to happen, IMO. They should cherish what they have left and deal with reality. As far as team mascots go, they need to just get over it. For a people supposedly so strong, they sure do get their panties in a bunch pretty quickly. Political correctness is going to be the death of free speech in this country.
All right, I've got my fire retardant pajamas on, let it fly.



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