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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
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ohcrapitsnico said:
But TED won't do that because they are consumed with rich white liberal guilt.



is that a stereotype?


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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Ever notice that rich liberals don't want anyone else to become rich?

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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how so? can you show something on that?

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: akira_akuma]
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One example off the top of my head is Moochelle Obama saying how the rich wont mind sharing a piece of the pie.

Or how the democrats want to constantly tax the rich. Not even just the super elite rich either.

Ita okay to be rich and liberal but not rich and conservative.

You can play coy all you want, you know its the truth. Well maybe you are that ignorant, im not actually sure. There are many many more examples i can find for you

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: akira_akuma] * 7
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...and the usual suspects run yet another thread into the ground because it reeks of Liberal.




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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
...and the usual suspects run yet another thread into the ground because it reeks of Liberal.



so it couldnt possibly be because the premise is unsound


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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 4
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Nobody even watched the video, everybody just jumps in to suck the dicks of the 1% without even haven bothered to watch the research of said psychologist and the conclusions derived thereof.

I thought it would die down after the candidate from the Obstructionist party was made president. Wrong, it just fortifies the incentive to obstruct anything not likeminded.


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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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Mush 4 Brains said:
One example off the top of my head is Moochelle Obama saying how the rich wont mind sharing a piece of the pie.

Or how the democrats want to constantly tax the rich. Not even just the super elite rich either.

Ita okay to be rich and liberal but not rich and conservative.

You can play coy all you want, you know its the truth. Well maybe you are that ignorant, im not actually sure. There are many many more examples i can find for you


holy shit, the airs are insane that you put on. i'm ignorant? for asking you something?

M. Obama, she said something you didn't find to be true, so her idealism is what? evil?

the democrats have made plenty of mistakes, but so have the republicans. the democrats have proven themselves hypocrites. so has the republicans. hopefully this term will be different, or at least, more productive. hopefully taking care of ISIS will be more productive than the Iraq conflict was.

it's ok to be rich, as long as the system isn't gamed by the rich, just because they can...even the fact that people (like yourself, i assume- with that attitude of yours) admire Trump for having gamed the system, what, in order to learn it and then what, convince you that he's the one to fix it...ok. well, i'm waiting. because if the system doesn't get fixed then nothing changes. some small factors in play to change things is exactly how things get started, but it's oft times also the stop-off. so i'm waiting.

but how is it that that's admirable that he ever gamed it at all, if he even admits that it's rigged against the little guy?

ok so he had a change of heart...good. but don't act like he's a fucking hero yet. he still, until just recently since his running for president and receiving adulation, still had been unsure of himself in the past...he's gone from more left-leaning to more right, and he's still not even really a right-winger, though he's willing to work with them, obviously, he ran as a republican...but hopefully he knows what he's doing with the republicans he's hiring. even Sarah Palin could perform well. you judge people by their actions. not their words.

so the fact is, every party has perpetuated lies and hypocrisy. people are generally irrational.

Prisoner#1 said:
so it couldnt possibly be because the premise is unsound


this is a forum, we discuss things here. welcome to the internet.

i guess this is the 'new way' now. just shitpost and leave it at that. best way to propagate the stifling of opinions, so you can have your way.


shit, at least my posts have content.

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
Nobody even watched the video, everybody just jumps in to suck the dicks of the 1% without even haven bothered to watch the research of said psychologist and the conclusions derived thereof.

I thought it would die down after the candidate from the Obstructionist party was made president. Wrong, it just fortifies the incentive to obstruct anything not likeminded.


i definitely intend to. i'll watch it in a bit and formulate a reply. i just have other thangs doin', but...yeah, i noticed, it seems people just jumped on the premise without watching it, and it's funny how quickly that happens. almost like people aren't even thinking.

PS: oh yeah...you didn't know? this is what happens. people are insecure...they retrench and double-down on their beliefs and convictions, instead of seeking the 'middle way', as it is termed in Buddhism. or in other words, take a balanced approach. they literally become 'dumber', you might say.

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: akira_akuma]
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PPS: if the people within government didn't already abuse their position of authority by making long-games for people's wealth to be taken to go into their OWN pockets, there wouldn't be a need for regulations...reducing the regulatory burden on the economy is a good idea. but these burdensome regulations wouldn't have ever been possible to suggest, realistically, and believably (despite it's being generally no good in the long-term), if people didn't already abuse their power and give ammunition to their opponents.

this is called the conflagration of misuse of language and communication. the means to use the war of emotions and senses, and logic in some cases, of people against themselves.

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Nobody even watched the video


I did watch the video

Quote:
everybody just jumps in to suck the dicks of the 1% without even haven bothered to watch the research of said psychologist and the conclusions derived thereof.


a scientist was paid by march against monsanto to prove that GMOs cause cancer, so
he did a study and published his findings but then the scientific community took
his study apart and showed all the flaws proving it to be a biased study in which
a conclusion was the beginning and the study steered as such

the same thing is going on here, he began with a conclusion and made sure to
narrate every single thing to point to that conclusion "OMG, THE GUY WITH MORE
FAKE MONEY IS EATING MORE PRETZELS THEREFORE HE IS MEAN BECAUSE HE'S 'RICH'!!!"


what else did they do to stack the deck for their conclusion?

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I thought it would die down after the candidate from the Obstructionist party was made president. Wrong, it just fortifies the incentive to obstruct anything not likeminded.



likeminded... such as your anti '1%' bullshit that is the same things all the
other liberals are posting about, "OMG, DEY HAZ DUH MUNEEZ, DEY DE EBIL!"


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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Prisoner#1 said:
so it couldnt possibly be because the premise is unsound


this is a forum, we discuss things here. welcome to the internet.

i guess this is the 'new way' now. just shitpost and leave it at that. best way to propagate the stifling of opinions, so you can have your way.


which shit post are you referring to, the one that simply says "provocative ted talk, give it a chance"


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shit, at least my posts have content.



not really, you're shitposting is an attempt to stifle my opinion and part of that
opinion is that TEDx talks are horse shit


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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Asante said:
Nobody even watched the video, everybody just jumps in to suck the dicks of the 1% without even haven bothered to watch the research of said psychologist and the conclusions derived thereof.

I thought it would die down after the candidate from the Obstructionist party was made president. Wrong, it just fortifies the incentive to obstruct anything not likeminded.


i definitely intend to. i'll watch it in a bit and formulate a reply.



so you came here to discuss other people's comments, you must have lots of monopoly
money, save some pretzels for the monopoly poor


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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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i came here to see the thread. i saw the replies it had, had some thoughts run through my head, and wanted to share them before i forgot what i was gonna say. :shrug: chill the fuck out with the adumbration of my life choices, you know, the ones you want make presumptions about.

i think poor people can have as good ideas are rich, or middle-class people; don't you think so? or only the latter can have a good idea? what do you think?

Prisoner#1 said:
not really, you're shitposting is an attempt to stifle my opinion and part of that
opinion is that TEDx talks are horse shit


nah. my posts have content. they expound on my thoughts, rather than just place them inordinately as if they should be listened to without explanation.

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Prisoner#1 said:
not really, you're shitposting is an attempt to stifle my opinion and part of that
opinion is that TEDx talks are horse shit


nah. my posts have content. they expound on my thoughts, rather than just place them inordinately as if they should be listened to without explanation.



all I've ever seen was you post about how great your posts are




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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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my posts are great, great, they're gonna do wonderfully.

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: akira_akuma]
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so i watched the video, and i'll make a couple asides:

first off: dopamine. the reward center of the brain is intrinsically tied to the addiction center (nucleus accumbens), so hence you see that people whom are a: more well-off b: whom have more tendency to be listened to and agree with and c: whom are rewarded for their statements and actions, these people are prone to becoming more attracted to these things over time, to the point where their statements and actions can make a marked shift between two different extremes on a spectrum (this dichotomy helps illustrate my point, and ties into my next point).

secondly: people whom have more of a self-interest in seeking pleasure and reward for their actions and their statements (as opposed to people whom opt more to work for others) can be motivated by altruism just the same- though they need a rationale to do so, and thus this is where the difficulty comes into play...but as in the video it's stated, statements and actions which correlate to those in a higher class- with emotional motives; adulation and modesty comes to mind- with feelings of empathy, compassion, cooperation, and community; these correlations can have a driving influence on people even in the highest rungs of society.

but what happens is, the higher you go, the harder and harder it is to be convinced.

but when you have someone that comes from nothing...and gets rich...are they more likely to be altruistic? or are those whom are benefited with wealth from early on in their life, and whom maintains that wealth (or grows it) more likely?

the answer is simple.

altruism works. you have something from nothing, ie, you are given wealth by way of your parents, other fiduciary means, ect, you feel more compelled through cognitive means, through diffidence, to share that wealth, and/or produce a more conscientious motivation for attaining said rewards- which sets the precedence for future altruistic endeavors.

though, one can't throw out the baby with the bathwater, as it were. you need to maintain that self-interest, which is the motivating factor, in order to create that wealth.

so it's a teeter-totter like effect, if you will, that accomplishes this.

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Asante]
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Not sure about the game addressing disparity in the real world -- comprehend the idea behind the study, but a board game takes place in a finite space of time, with a clear sentiment that the player is supposed to win.  The premise of Monopoly in particular is that the player is supposed to win by as large of margin as possible.
:shrug:

When he talks about the surveys and how wealthier people are more likely to justify greed as moral it is interesting, but it seems that the studies were done on people already in different financial brackets rather than moving through financial brackets.

Think it is less about money making people mean, and more about mean people being better at making money.

He goes on to talk about how when given money poorer people are more likely to give it away while richer people are less likely to give -- but take a step back and consider the fact that someone who is more likely to keep money to his or her self is going to accumulate more money over a life time, and therefor be more likely to put him or her self into situations where the cash flow can be increased.

On the vehicle test, am unable to discern whether or not that crosswalk has a button to trigger a light or not -- it appears to have a solar panel on top of the pole, which implies a light, but he does not seem to reach out to the pole on any of his approaches to the curb.  It may just be a constantly flashing light to notify of the crosswalk.
It would help to have a bit more clarity in terms of the requirement to stop -- the city bus in particular inclines me to think that it may be a button-based sign, and people are not stopping because he has not signaled them to.

Finally, to be a bitter skeptic towards the end of it -- he talks about how people can be taught compassion and that there are organizations of wealthy people giving away their wealth,
but looking at one of his primary examples, Bill Gates, inclines me to think that it is just wealthy people using their wealth to improve the state of their life.
Still remember Bill Gates being hated and demonized for windows and the domination of the PC market -- fast forward to after he's started giving money away, and people are more hesitant to treat him as evil.  He has more money than he knew what to do with, and he found a way to employ some of that money to decreasing the rate at which people are derisive towards him.

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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Of course it does. I've seen this video in the past and I recall a few points, but you don't need a lab research to know that the more money you get the less empathetic you get. Th poor help each other. The rich help themselves. They have more self confidence and less compassion. It's nature. Just like wolves. The strongest eats first.



the rich and poor dont mix because of the poors disdain for the wealthy.

it's almost like the perpetual black violence that everyone wants an answer for but the only answer is something they dont like. which is you have to work for it and mentally change your attitude.

you have to cut the bullshit out if you want to get money. you hang out with poor folks you will always think poor. break through the barrier and you will be the one called "mean" because you choose not to deal with people who do not bring success in your life.

nobody mentions the years of hardwork people go through for money, they just see the end result.
the elevator to success is broken, please take the stairs.


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Re: TED Talk -- Does Money make you Mean? [Re: keyser_soze]
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Every group of poor people need a token rich guy to give them financial education. The rich guy will stay grounded by hanging out with poor people.


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