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OfflineSketchy105
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How do you meditate properly?
    #2391804 - 03/01/04 05:47 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

This burning question continually enters my mind. I have been going to a "happy place" for some time now (I turn out the lights, put on really soft instrumental music, relax all my muscles, and envision a 'happy place,' as it were.) but I still dont know what meditating is and how it helps you. can someone enlighten me?


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Sketchy105]
    #2391856 - 03/01/04 06:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

There really is no proper way to meditate, however I'll share my techniques.


I usually put on some music I enjoy and can easliy get into. It's often, surprisingly, high tempo hard rock, or psychedelic jams. I then relax, roll my eyes around (closed or open) like I'm trying to read one of those "Magic Eye" 3-d books. That often creates some visuals. Once I get to an emotional part of the song I focus my breathing as if I'm flexing my abs (hard to describe it). Usually this brings on some intense experinces.

It took a long time for me to get really good effects. I started out just closing my eyes when listening to music while high and noticing the CEVs I got when I moved my eyes around. Now I do it both sober and high, and it seems like being high really brings me deeper and deeper. Marijuana seems to be best for it.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Sketchy105]
    #2391903 - 03/01/04 06:27 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The basic way to meditation is to enjoy the peace of nothingness. No thoughts, no sounds... nothing. Thats the transcedental method, just sitting comfortably and closing your eyes, concentrate on your breathing (breathing comfortably and easily in and out... taking fairly long breaths but not till you get blue in the face long breaths) and nothing else. Its really not as boring as it sounds, you can experience other levels of consciousness with these practices. In meditative state you can cause yourself to trip even or explore so many things. My most incredible expreience was this one randomn time I meditated. I felt how I was a part of everything and everything was a part of me... it was really incredible. I've also exited my body (astral projection) and you can only do this by first entering a meditative state. There's alot of ways, search on the subject....


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: filthysock]
    #2392037 - 03/01/04 07:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I've meditated even since I was probably 11 or 12, but never really understood how to go deeper than the superficial level of relaxation until I started meditating on meditative-enhancing herbs, mushrooms and chemicals.  :smile: Then I understood the vibrations and how to use them to astral project.

It does take quite a lot of patience before you get anywhere, but once you start astral projecting and being able to see deeper into your subconscious than ever before, it becomes well worth it. Maybe it would help for you to attend some Buddhist classes, or have someone further-developed and meditation to be able to push you along. Or maybe, if you have a calm mind, it would help to eat an eighth of mushrooms and just sit down in a dark place, meditating throughout the trip. I doubt this would work for everyone though, some people just can't stand still on shrooms.

Open your  :3rd_eye:


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Ravus]
    #2392053 - 03/01/04 07:35 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Ravus said:
Then I understood the vibrations and how to use them to astral project.

It does take quite a lot of patience before you get anywhere, but once you start astral projecting and being able to see deeper into your subconscious than ever before, it becomes well worth it. Maybe it would help for you to attend some Buddhist classes, or have someone further-developed and meditation to be able to push you along. Or maybe, if you have a calm mind, it would help to eat an eighth of mushrooms and just sit down in a dark place, meditating throughout the trip. I doubt this would work for everyone though, some people just can't stand still on shrooms.

Open your  :3rd_eye:




My girlfriend does astral projection and she said you cant have drugs in your system (a month or something to clear) because it blocks your chakras.. or something like that.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #2392186 - 03/01/04 08:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Ravus said:
Then I understood the vibrations and how to use them to astral project.

It does take quite a lot of patience before you get anywhere, but once you start astral projecting and being able to see deeper into your subconscious than ever before, it becomes well worth it. Maybe it would help for you to attend some Buddhist classes, or have someone further-developed and meditation to be able to push you along. Or maybe, if you have a calm mind, it would help to eat an eighth of mushrooms and just sit down in a dark place, meditating throughout the trip. I doubt this would work for everyone though, some people just can't stand still on shrooms.

Open your  :3rd_eye:




My girlfriend does astral projection and she said you cant have drugs in your system (a month or something to clear) because it blocks your chakras.. or something like that.




DMT isn't a drug..... its an edegonous neurotransmitter  :grin:
for meditation i like listening to pure instrumental music(psychedelic jams, blues, jazz, classical, etc..)  ... lyrics make me think to much. A trick i use to use when i first started to meditate was to just picture a blank piece of black paper...then zoom in on it in your mind until there is nothing but black, then just dont think :wink: .....i can't explain how to do astral projection though... i've done it and i believe every person has to do it a different way


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Sketchy105] * 1
    #2392206 - 03/01/04 08:27 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Someone recently posted this (meditation center) in a different forum, and I found it very helpful. The core meditations, especially the "Inner Light" meditation, really helped me a lot. I really like how the author/teacher of the website emphasizes not to be frustrated if your thoughts do not clear and to approach meditation with "relaxed effort" and with no expectations of what may happen (since ANYTHING can happen :smile:). He also mentions that if thoughts are happening while you're trying to meditate, just be mindful of them and not judge them nor force them out because it could just be the relief of "emotional toxins."


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: temperance]
    #2392314 - 03/01/04 08:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i'm of the opinion that a meditative state can be attained on a constant basis. that it is quite possible to have a balanced level of immersiveness in both the subconscious and conscious minds. the pinnacle of such a state is very "Waking Life" like. Think non-drug induced hallucinations that don't feel out of ordinary place that are very much relative and symbolic of the situation at hand. astral projection is entirely different. for me to project i have to follow the "rules" of traditional meditation. i didn't learn how to do it until my mind was "forced" into such states by DXM. i think that chemicals can teach you how you should meditate but for pure meditation they should be left out. i view heavy meditation as self hynotism. i could go on but my wife wants me to hang out with her as i'm not usually posting at this hour (she was on the phone for quite some time). good luck.

oh, yeah, i did want to mention that athletics such as bicycling and tennis have taught my body proper breathing techniques with or without conscious effort (in through the nose, out through the mouth utilising all of the lungs) i sincerely believe this to be a critical step to good meditation.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #2392381 - 03/01/04 09:29 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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CerebralFlower said:
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Ravus said:
Then I understood the vibrations and how to use them to astral project.

It does take quite a lot of patience before you get anywhere, but once you start astral projecting and being able to see deeper into your subconscious than ever before, it becomes well worth it. Maybe it would help for you to attend some Buddhist classes, or have someone further-developed and meditation to be able to push you along. Or maybe, if you have a calm mind, it would help to eat an eighth of mushrooms and just sit down in a dark place, meditating throughout the trip. I doubt this would work for everyone though, some people just can't stand still on shrooms.

Open your  :3rd_eye:




My girlfriend does astral projection and she said you cant have drugs in your system (a month or something to clear) because it blocks your chakras.. or something like that.




I have heard this also, and believe it to a certain extent. Some drugs may interfere with your chakras or spiritual centers in your mind, like alcohol and cocaine, for example, but I wouldn't just dump all drugs in that category. Once you become an expert at astral projection, you don't need any assistance from either drugs, teachers, or anything besides your higher self and astral entities, and maybe your girlfriend's at that stage. But, IMO, until one gets to that state, which can take years or decades, certain drugs like mushrooms and LSD can help one become familiar with the territory and feeling of astral projection.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Sketchy105]
    #2392770 - 03/01/04 11:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:3rd_eye:ommmmmmmmm

sorry I just wanted an excuse to use the new smilie :nut:


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Sketchy105]
    #2392778 - 03/01/04 11:22 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

any form of meditation that seems "proper" should be thrown out as rubbish
:smile: :smile: :smile:


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Sketchy105]
    #2393309 - 03/02/04 02:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard counting your breaths helps.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: SuperLazy]
    #2393610 - 03/02/04 03:36 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Ive had successful meditations by sitting in a comfortable position upright in my room with low light and no stimulus. I focus on rhythmic deep breathing, and repeat the word *one* in my head. Repetition of one non sharp syllable'd word will help your mind *focus* on keeping stray thoughts from popping up. Make it meaningless, so there are no subconscious associations with the word, it can be made up too ... its just enough distraction to keep you from thinking, Focus on nothing but the word ... how you form it, how your lips and tongue would move, the pheneotics of the word - It'll fall into pattern, and your mind will be blank....

Then you will achieve.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Sketchy105]
    #2394221 - 03/02/04 09:46 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i used to meditate with a crystal reflecting the colour prism from the sun on my forehead and after a while i saw the sun up close in my minds eye,its really hard to meditate with todays noise,try going to a rainforest


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: ]
    #2394729 - 03/02/04 01:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

one of the more memorable meditation/hypnotisms i experienced involved a ticking clock.

it was really quiet and i almost got up to pull the batteries out of the clock because in the quiet the clock seemed really loud. but, i went with it and used the metrnomic clicks as a "guide". it was an incredible session of self-hypnosis. i was "under" for well over an hour and at some point (i was coming out of it i just didn't know it then) i was convinced that my wife would come home and see me sitting there in a catatonic state.

i remember the clock ticks became reverbrating thunder claps in my head. at some point time dissolved and the thunder claps weere no longer metronomic. they would completely fade from earshot only to return again and it was really erratic. pretty hard to describe really.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Sketchy105]
    #2394744 - 03/02/04 01:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Ok I hate meditation, I keep thinking the same thing:  "ok now I have to think about nothing, oh wait, thats something, umm, shut up shut up, think about nothing"  You can see why I'm not super fond of it.  Now yoga that is another story, I love it.  You get the benefits of meditation along with stretches and breathing exercises, and you can actually feel the toxins being squeezed out of your bones and muscles if you do it properly.  Gives you something to think about (the stretching, etc.) so you can think about that and focus and not let your mind wander.  The way I feel after good yoga is similar to the way I feel after good sex. :smile:  You just need good instruction, either attend a class or get a book, I went to a class because my old school offered free yoga classes to all students.  I was one of like 3 guys in there out of about twenty and I got some nice eye-candy too, hehe.  I believe I learned hatha yoga, its focus was getting your breathing exactly in sync with your stretches, easier than it sounds once you get the hang of it.  Well there's my 2 cents.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: oggleman]
    #2395865 - 03/02/04 05:47 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

You can't bash your mind during meditation. That's the beginners flaw; they think when they want to quiet their mind, they should punish it. Punishment does nothing for your psychic abilities, merely realize you are thinking emotionally, take the thoughts and let them fly off like birds in the air. Achieving unity, not silence of mind, is the purpose of meditation.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: oggleman]
    #2399894 - 03/03/04 08:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok I hate meditation, I keep thinking the same thing: "ok now I have to think about nothing, oh wait, thats something, umm, shut up shut up, think about nothing" You can see why I'm not super fond of it. ....




That's what I found at first as well. As someone else said, getting hung up on it makes it worse, just accept it and keep going back to concentrating on your breath (or whatever you're initially focusing on).

I read somewhere an analogy about watching leaves float past on a stream, imagining your intrusive thoughts as the leaves. The idea being that you re-focus your mind on the (same part of the) stream and just accept the leaves as they float past.

Eventually you get better at it and the thoughts become less intrusive, (sort of quieter), and it becomes easier and easier to get past that stage (and do it much much more quickly too).


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Sketchy105]
    #2399921 - 03/03/04 08:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

how i was told to do it, was to sit cross legged, but i don't think how it matters you sit, it's just the most comfortable. and imagine like roots coming from your body and penetrating the earth and imagine it going throught the ground and through the entire earth,and engulfing it

Take as long as you can,to imagine the roots going, and the entire time keep deep regular breaths. i think this method works best while in nature and your sitting on the ground, like on a grassy hill or something.


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Re: How do you meditate properly? [Re: Aton]
    #2400564 - 03/03/04 11:49 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The first few times I tried meditating, i also had trouble getting my mind quiet, I kept thinking and I kept getting pissed off because I was thinking when I should not be thinking. Then I thought about that for some time and I was like: Skrew that, meditation is supposed to make you feel good, not bad!

I also realized the fact that I LIKE thinking and having thoughts in my head and that I'd rather keep them in my head when meditating. The next time I tried meditating, instead of trying to constrict my thoughts, I just completely let go, I backed off.... and it was the most intense experience of my life. There were vidid images, thoughts of happiness, contentmet, desire, and excitement. When I came out of it, I was happier and more upbeat for weeks, I was going through a very difficult time, I had been rejected by the only girl I had gone out with in the last year... and I thought I'd stay depressed for months, but after that session, I realized that I was more upset that I wasn't accepted by "a" girl and not upset that I wasn't accepted or wanted by that particular girl...which is the wrong way to go about it, so I ended up completely skipping that depression.

I haven't tried meditating very often since then, but I have decided that it is pointless for me to illiminate thoughts from my head because I enjoy them too much.


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