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ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ]
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Habitat:
Soil with high pine need content - in suburbia. Grow very close to the ground, stem isn't visible while growing they're just kind of lumps in the ground. Picked these last winter but didn't get around to getting them ID'd. Close to a Subaeruginosa spot I had but not connected/same substrate.

Gills:
Dark ~ - hard to spore print as the grow very bulbously - no noticable red colour. Can go for a better picture if required.

Stem:
Thin/white, not visible when growing. Hard to remember exactly as they're dried now.

Cap:
Around 1cm diameter dried - some were bigger at the time perhaps but none very big - much smaller than a big goldy. Quite whitey/bluey at the time of picking - some are quite gold after drying - some still hold the white/blue but a little more brown now.

Spore print color:
As above - didn't print to them being 'pouchy' but they're very dark on the gills

Bruising:
Blue bruising at time of picking , not visible now months after drying

Other information:
Smells very earthy/kinda gross :smile:

Any help appreciated! I should've ID'd these when they were fresh before! I'm reasonably confident they are a Psilocybe but am not too experienced, so better safe than sorry. Cheers <3

Edited by LatelyItOccursToMe (11/30/16 11:57 PM)

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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [Re: LatelyItOccursToMe]
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Oh - Auckland, New Zealand :smile:

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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [Re: LatelyItOccursToMe]
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P. subsecotioides indeed. :thumbup:


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: LatelyItOccursToMe]
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LatelyItOccursToMe said:
Other information:
Smells very earthy/kinda gross :smile:


That is because those secos are not even cracker dry, I can literally see the moisture in them from those images.

You have done an insufficient job at drying and/or storing them and that is why they smell very earthy/kinda gross.

Give those secos a month or so and they will start decomposing I reckon.

Get them in a dehydrator until cracker dry.


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: AllDay420]
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Thanks for the response mate!
They were dried with a dehydrator but perhaps not for long enough, do you think they are safe to consume if there is no visible mould?

Also could you comment on the strength of these vs say subaeruginosa? Or another species on the dosage calculator?

Cheers :smile:

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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: LatelyItOccursToMe]
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Yeah mate, perhaps not long enough indeed.

Those secos are absolutely fine to consume mate, I'm just accusing them of containing a bit of moisture because they don't look cracker dried.

If you are planning to store them for longer and they are not cracker dry then put em through the dehydrator again, always use the dehydrators highest setting.
Keep them in on the highest setting until they are dry as bone, snap at the stipes and could be crushed to powder in you finger tips.

Secos are dense, remember that the cap has to be cracker dry aswell, the whole mushroom must be 100% 'cracker' or 'bone' dry.
If the cap is still squishy it's not cracker dry. :smile:


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: AllDay420]
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Cool, thanks for the advice :smile:.

Any idea about their comparative potency?

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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: LatelyItOccursToMe]
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Oh yeah right I posted before answering your potency question. Sorry bro, blazed as fuck here. :ganja:

It depends really.
I find most subs to be consistently stronger than most secos, but secos are still fairly fucking potent.
Some subs specimens can be weaker than some seco specimens though as potency varies from specimen to specimen.

I once asked my mate if he reckons subs or secos are more potent and he said subs.
On average, in my experiences I have to agree with him.
I believe subs to be a tad more potent overall.

I have another mate who reckons secos are much weaker than subs.

It all depends on how potent the specimens are really, potency can overlap from subs to secos in my experiences. So they are similar enough in potency.

Some subs have been stronger then some secos.
And some secos have been stronger than some subs.

But overall I find subs to be of slightly higher potency.


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: LatelyItOccursToMe]
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LatelyItOccursToMe said:
Any idea about their comparative potency?


If my waning memory serves me right, there are no official potency reports on this species.

Weigh up a gram (tops) and go for it.

:aweyeah:


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: AllDay420]
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Oh fuck, and be sure that once cracker dry, to store em in an airtight glass jar or container or something nice and airtight.

And keep the airtight glass jar or whatever it may be in a cool, dark and dry place. :smile:

Anything else? Any more questions? Anything else my stoner ass needs to address??


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: Anglerfish]
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Anglerfish said:
Weigh up a gram (tops) and go for it.


That depends, if you wants more than a gram, go for it.
If you want less than a gram, go for it.

Personal preference. :smile:


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: AllDay420]
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AllDay420 said:
Anglerfish said:
Weigh up a gram (tops) and go for it.


That depends, if you wants more than a gram, go for it.
If you want less than a gram, go for it.

Personal preference. :smile:


Well, you obviously tried them and have a more firm ground to stand on than I do.

Exciting find it is, nevertheless. Exciting and exotic, at least for me stuck just below the Arctic Circle with my liberty caps. :stoned:


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: Anglerfish]
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Are you sure those are subsecos you've picked? They certainly look like it to me, but it really is a good idea to take photos of them fresh. ID'ing dried mushrooms carries risks. It's a shame there's no clear bruising on the stipe.

If they were dried months ago and simply kept in the air, they might be very weak. Even if they were initially cracker-dry they would have taken on a lot of moisture.


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: Matai]
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They are clearly P. subsecotioides, 100% secos no doubt.


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Re: ID Request - Dried, Subsectioides or similar? Picture within [NZ] [Re: Matai]
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Matai said:
If they were dried months ago and simply kept in the air, they might be very weak. Even if they were initially cracker-dry they would have taken on a lot of moisture.


I would not say that keeping what was initially cracker dry in open air would make em "very weak". But a slight loss of potency if not stored right for sure.
Depends on how long they were stored in the open air, the longer time spent sitting in open air or in a container with insufficient seal, the more the active would have degraded.

Yes, they will absorb some moisture if kept in open air, that is why an airtight storage container, preferably a glass jar with an airtight seal lid is required to keep em cracker dry.


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