Tipote said:

Suddenly It’s Okay to Be pro-Israel and anti-Semitic

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When friendship for Israel is judged solely on the basis of support for the occupation, Israel has no friends other than racists and nationalists.

All of a sudden it’s not so terrible to be anti-Semitic. Suddenly it’s excusable as long as you hate Muslims and Arabs and “love Israel.” The Jewish and Israeli right has issued a sweeping amnesty to anti-Semitic lovers of Israel – yes, there is such a thing, and they’re en route to taking power in the United States.

So now we know: Not just pornography but also anti-Semitism is a matter of geography and price. Right-wing American anti-Semites are no longer considered anti-Semites.

The definition has been updated: From now on, anti-Semites are only found on the left. Roger Waters, a courageous man of conscience without stain, is an anti-Semite. Steve Bannon, a declared racist and closet anti-Semite who has been appointed chief strategist in the Trump White House, is a friend of Israel.

Jewish and Israeli activists who left no stone unturned in their effort to discover signs of anti-Semitism, who viewed every parking ticket for an American Jew as an act of hate, who moved heaven and earth every time a Jew was robbed or a Jewish gravestone was cracked, are now whitewashing an anti-Semite. Suddenly they’re not convinced we’re talking about that particular disease.

Alan Dershowitz, one of the biggest propagandists in this field, has already come out in defense of the racist Bannon. In a Haaretz piece late last week, Dershowitz wrote that the man whose wife said he didn’t want their children to go to school with Jews isn’t anti-Semitic. “The claim was simply made by his former wife in a judicial proceeding, thus giving it no special weight,” Dershowitz wrote, with specious logic.

After all, Dershowitz’s former research assistant, an Orthodox Jew who later worked with Bannon, assured him that he had seen no signs of anti-Semitism in Bannon. And suddenly that’s enough for Dershowitz. Suddenly it’s possible to separate racism from anti-Semitism.

Israel’s ambassador in Washington, Ron Dermer, naturally hastened to join the party. Over the weekend, he said he expects to work with Bannon. And boy, does he expect to work with that racist. After all, they’ll agree about everything: that there’s no Palestinian people, that there’s no occupation, that the settlement of Yitzhar should remain forever, that leftists are traitors.

For Dermer – ambassador of the illegal outpost of Amona, friend of the Tea Party and boycotter of J Street; a man who if the bilateral relationship had been normal would have been declared persona non grata by the United States – the new appointments are like the dawn of a new day.

He’ll feel so at home with Frank Gaffney, another hater of Muslims who’s likely to receive a senior appointment in the new administration; he’ll be so happy working with Bannon. And Mike Huckabee is exactly his cup of tea. Dermer, after all, was given the Freedom Flame Award by the Center for Security Policy, a hate group that proudly flies the flag of Islamophobia.

These racists and their ilk are Israel’s best friends in the United States. They’re joined by the racists of the European right. If you discount the guilt feelings over the Holocaust, they’re the only friends Israel has left. When friendship for Israel is judged solely on the basis of support for the occupation, Israel has no friends other than racists and nationalists. That ought to have aroused great shame here: Tell us who your friends are and we’ll tell you who you are.

These racists love Israel because it’s carrying out their dreams: to oppress Arabs, to abuse Muslims, to dispossess them, expel them, kill them, demolish their houses, trample their honor. This bunch of trash would so dearly love to behave as we do.

But for now this is only possible in Israel, so it’s the light unto the nations in this field. What happened to the days when Jews in South Africa went to prison with Nelson Mandela? Nowadays Jewish activists in America support the new rulers – the racists and anti-Semites.

The Palestinian-American author Susan Abulhawa wrote on Facebook over the weekend: Palestinians are calling white nationalist Bannon an anti-Semite, while AIPAC and Dershowitz think he’s not such a bad guy. What more proof do you need that Zionism is a face of white supremacy, and ultimately antithetical to Judaism?

Last summer, Abulhawa was deported via the Allenby Bridge. And she’s right. The United States and Israel now share the same values – and woe to that sense of shame.

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A former Marine General seen as one of U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s leading candidates for Defense Secretary has said West Bank settlements are turning Israel into an apartheid state.

Retired Marine Gen. James Mattis, who was known as “Mad Dog,” also has said that the United States pays a price for its support of Israel, the Times of Israel reported.

Mattis met with Trump Saturday at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey

An unnamed official “familiar with the transition process” told CNN that Mattis can be considered a leading candidate for secretary of defense.

When Trump was asked by reporters whether Mattis is a candidate to lead the Defense Department, Trump said, “All I can say is he is the real deal. He is the real deal.”

Mattis ran U.S. Central Command in from August 2010 to March 2013. In that position he had command authority for all U.S. forces in the Middle East.

“I paid a military security price every day as the commander of CentCom because the Americans were seen as biased in support of Israel, and that moderates all the moderate Arabs who want to be with us, because they can’t come out publicly in support of people who don’t show respect for the Arab Palestinians,” Mattis said in 2013 at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado.

At the same forum he criticized Israel for settlement building, saying that the settlements “are going to make it impossible to maintain the two-state option.”

He said the settlements would undermine Israel as both a Jewish and Democratic state, and said the settlements would lead to apartheid.

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The son of a Dutch couple that hid Jews from the Nazis is seeking the removal of his father’s name from a monument built on what used to be a Palestinian village.

Erik Ader, whose father and mother, Bastiaan Jan and Johanna Ader, are believed by the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum to have helped at least 200 Jews during the Holocaust, made the plea in an interview published last week by the Dutch NOS public broadcaster. The article defined the monument as “abuse of Ader’s memory” because of Israel’s “ethnic cleansing.”

Erik Ader, a former ambassador of the Netherlands to Norway, said he “cannot ask his father,” who was executed by the Nazis in 1944, “what he thinks of how his name is connected to this injustice but it’s not difficult to guess, knowing what he stood for.”

Ader was referring to a Jewish National Fund monument honoring his father in a forest planted on the ruins of Bayt Nattif, a Palestinian village about 13 miles southwest of Jerusalem that was destroyed after it was captured by the Israel Defense Forces during Israel’s War of Independence.

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The Israeli government sees the idea of a settlement boycott as a farce because it knows how impossible it would be to stop even a targeted boycott from bleeding right through the Green Line it’s been working so hard to erase.

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As Noam Sheizaf explained here, in many ways the occupation is actually a source of income and profit for Israel.

Israeli companies extract natural resources like stone, gravel and water from the West Bank. Instead of having to purchase land, military seizure orders are used to increase the housing supply and build segregated highways, creating subsidized commuter suburbs for Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. And the occupied Palestinian population becomes a virtual captive market for Israeli products.

Israel is worried about a settlement boycott because not only is the settlement economy virtually inseparable from the Israeli economy, the occupation is part of the Israeli economy. Blurring whatever remains — or once existed — of the line distinguishing the two has been one of the Netanyahu government’s greatest projects.

As I noted earlier this month, a government interested in eventually withdrawing from the West Bank to allow the creation of a Palestinian state would not speak openly about annexing major settlements or the majority of the Palestinian territories; it wouldn’t be announcing plans to lay rail lines connecting settlements to Jerusalem. A prime minister interested in withdrawing from the West Bank wouldn’t say he is the best friend the settlements will ever have.

The truth is that Israel’s settlements are not only an inextricable part of the Israeli economy, they have become an inextricable part of Israel, at least as far as the current leadership sees things. Israeli leaders see the idea of a limited boycott of the settlements alone as a farce because they know it would bleed right through the Green Line they’ve been working so hard to erase.

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My personal belief? Well, it’s that the occupation of Palestinian land by Israel has had devastating consequences on both Palestinians and Israelis, and negatively affects Jews in the rest of the world. After half a century of both Palestinian armed struggle and unarmed civil disobedience, and of failed peace negotiations, I believe that the best way we have now to positively resolve the conflict is to apply non-violent, irresistible pressure on the Israeli government to force them to negotiate faithfully and sincerely.

For me this means supporting the Palestinian call for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS), a deeply unpopular opinion for an Israeli Jew to have, both here and in Israel.
Despite the unpopularity of my views on Israel, I’m still engaged with my local Jewish community.

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There has been some progress, we have a situation now where young Jews may be questioning Israeli commitment to peace, but have not yet begun to question the more basic assumption that Zionism is good for the Jews. Hence the thought process, “Jewish societies are for proper Jews; proper Jews are Zionists; non-Zionist Jews do not belong in JSocs.”

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The problem is that according to recent surveys, over 70% of British Jews oppose the occupation, and 31% of us would not consider ourselves Zionist (10% were not sure). If you extrapolate these findings from the general Jewish population to the student one (which seems reasonable to me, as most university-aged students are unlikely to stray far from their families’ political views and in fact tend to be more progressive than their parents), it is strange that the UJS campaigns so hard to defend Israel and its policies when 41% of students are either directly opposed to such support, or at the very least are not sure about it.

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Pages and pages of this guy talking to himself

***NO ONE CARES!

Tipote said:

Blah blah blah

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hostileuniverse said:

I think everyone here agrees Israel is the devil

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23261457#23261457


He may seem verbose, but if it's on something we agree is important then I can appreciate it.


Maybe you're just projecting. 

You've only been here 1.5 years and are already down to 3 shrooms, with 12 people ignoring you and your cries of "nuke Palestine". 

Nobody is ignoring him and he has been here 5 years...

hostileuniverse said:

Pages and pages of this guy talking to himself

***NO ONE CARES!

Tipote said:

Blah blah blah

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would you shush?


     

flickedbic said:

hostileuniverse said:

I think everyone here agrees Israel is the devil

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23261457#23261457


He may seem verbose, but if it's on something we agree is important then I can appreciate it.


Maybe you're just projecting. 

You've only been here 1.5 years and are already down to 3 shrooms, with 12 people ignoring you and your cries of "nuke Palestine". 

Nobody is ignoring him and he has been here 5 years...

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Well, then I guess he's a better poster than I am.

***which explains why he's been talking himself for literally 23 pages

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Well, then I guess he's a better poster than I am.

***which explains why he's been talking himself for literally 23 pages

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Well, I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

***and then it goes right back to being wrong

flickedbic said:

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Well, then I guess he's a better poster than I am.

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Well, I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

***and then it goes right back to being wrong

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Obviously you and I are both on here reading. 

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flickedbic said:

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Well, then I guess he's a better poster than I am.

***which explains why he's been talking himself for literally 23 pages

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Well, I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

***and then it goes right back to being wrong

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

flickedbic said:

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Well, then I guess he's a better poster than I am.

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Well, I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

***and then it goes right back to being wrong

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Nice pity posts

***at least it breaks up the pages and pages of mindless drivel by the OP