Cpt Dingas said:

Would love to experience that myself... I do want to trust that, but there's still something inside me saying ufo as a giant flying object is just bs.

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Mad_Larkin said:

UFO sightings are much like dreams, they're interesting and meaningful to you but you can't really expect other people to take them seriously

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In a study conducted from 1990 through 1995, University of New Mexico psychiatrist Rick Strassman found that some volunteers injected with high doses of DMT reported experiences with perceived alien entities. Usually, the reported entities were experienced as the inhabitants of a perceived independent reality the subjects reported visiting while under the influence of DMT.[6] In a September 2009 interview, Strassman described the effects on participants in the study. He stated that "subjectively, the most interesting results were that high doses of DMT seemed to allow the consciousness of our volunteers to enter into non-corporeal, free-standing, independent realms of existence inhabited by beings of light who oftentimes were expecting the volunteers, and with whom the volunteers interacted. While 'typical' near-death and mystical states occurred, they were relatively rare.

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Mad_Larkin said:

im with you bro, I've seen them too. i don't think they have any real objective validity though... seeing a UFO is a purely subjective experience

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When my mom saw them she was at a private party in the dessert with a large group of people who all witnessed it.

I believe she said 3 big orbs of light flew right overhead before blasting off in different directions as streaks of light and disappearing.

I wouldn't call that subjective when at least 10-20+ people all saw the same thing

Or with the DMT study when a large portion of the participants saw the same or similiar beings of light which had been "waiting for them"...

Those are pretty much the opposite of subjective

Mad_Larkin said:

they aren't, 1 person's experience has just as much validity as 20 people's experience if the phenomenon can't be repeated in order to be studied. over 30,000 people witnessed the miracle at Fatima where the sun appeared to move about the sky, that doesn't mean the sun actually DID move about the sky... cus that'd mean the Earth was flying out of it's orbit and we'd all be dead...

feel me?

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The phenomenon did repeat in the study, it just isn't the kind of experience that can be externally studied.

So each individual experience might be technically subjective but I would argue many people seeing the same thing in various scenarios supersedes the subjective nature of the experience

We might never be able to measure or truly study something such as this so group experiences are about the least subjective we will get for awhile

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group experiences are about the least subjective we will get for awhile

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Mad_Larkin said:

i agree that people experiencing abduction type phenomnenon on DMT is interesting, i'm not sure why we should imbue those people's experiences with any more epistemic weight than the experiences of the people who met ancient Egyptian pharoahs, Hindu Goddesses or Knight's Templar on DMT (just because it better fits the cultural zietgeist?)

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that feels like an enormous fallacy, even group experiences are inherently subjective unless the observed phenomenon can be repeated

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