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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: spock]
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The first Iraq war? Lemme guess, war for oil? If your friend has oil, should you just ignore them?

spock said:
Should we just let Vladimir take what he wants without consequence? Hillary wants us to stick up for our friends. This view of a kinder, warmer and fuzzier Putin is naive. Putin is a KGB thug who longs for the good ole days. Taking Crimea was not cool and puts world stability in danger. It was illegal. Not sticking up for friends is weak. 

Peace
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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: spock]
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spock said:
Should we just let Vladimir take what he wants without consequence?


Of course not.  Should Vladimir just let the US take what we want without consequence?

Here's a VERY short summary of the situation, because I think very few people (besides Trump) understand it:


Crimea had been a Russian territory since 1783, until Khrushchev transferred it to Ukraine without the approval of the Crimean people.  Russia has had a naval base in Crimea since 1783, which has always remained under Russian control through today.

In 2014, there were a series of violent events in Ukraine culminating in the coup of Ukraine’s democratically elected President.

The US (as usual after coups) was quick to back the new leader who was pro-US and anti-Russian, and there is evidence the US helped orchestrate the coup,  while Russian speaking Eastern Ukraine (especially the Donbass region) and Crimea wanted nothing to do with the undemocratic Government and wanted to separate.

Crimea held a referendum, and overwhelmingly voted to return to Russia.  Russia accepted Crimea back; however, Donbass stayed with Ukraine.

There were no military casualties in Crimea, as the people there wanted to rejoin Russia, but there was (and still is) a great deal of conflict in Donbass between Western Ukraine and the Russian separatists.

Russia’s naval base in Crimea has great significance to both the US and Russia, as it is Russia’s only warm water naval port.  The US wants Crimea to return to Ukraine, and wants to make Ukraine part of NATO in violation of an earlier promise made not to expand NATO beyond Germany.  Meanwhile, Russia believes coups shouldn’t be recognized, and the Crimean people have a right to vote for their own leadership.

spock said:
Hillary wants us to stick up for our friends. This view of a kinder, warmer and fuzzier Putin is naive.


Hillary doesn't care one bit about the Ukrainian people, whose lives are now going to shit.  Her goal is to take Russia's only warm water port away from them and give it to NATO.

spock said:
Putin is a KGB thug who longs for the good ole days.


Putin wants a return to Communism?  I'd love to see your evidence for that.

spock said:
Taking Crimea was not cool and puts world stability in danger. It was illegal. Not sticking up for friends is weak.


Taking Ukraine through a coup was not cool and puts world stability in danger.  It was illegal.  Not sticking up for democracy is weak.


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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The Democrats knows what they are doing. They are trying to infiltrate as many of radical Muslims into other countries so that the countries that they has infiltrated has become torn down. Like in Nigeria, the north Nigerians are wanting to become an Islamic country (I wonder how that happen). But the south are more of a Christian country. But The north has the oil wells. But the south has the refineries. And so the north doesn't wants to send their oil to have it refine at the southern part of the country, but send their oil over here to have it refined. But our politicians just stay out of their business and let the northern Nigerians keep on sending their oil over here to be refine and we get some of the oil for a real good deal; but the northern Nigerians are losing out because they are not getting the whole value of it. They has to pay expenses to have the oil ship it to and fro, and refinery charges. But the U.S. sees all this, that the two countries are separating like Kuwait separating from Iraq, and they love it. Because we are getting the oil for a cheap price. We need to go Green.

They are trying to spread out these radical Islamic followers to bring in fear to other countries and ours so that these countries and us will be needing security equipment. And which one of the member of Shark Tank has his own security company and he is a friend of Mark Cuban, whom endorses hillary.


Do anyone knows what has happened to Somalia after they has become an Islamic country?

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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Douglas Howard]
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^ you think the lesser warhawk party is solely responsible for the strategy of tension weve been employing on the Islamic world for over 75 years?


Correction: The people who own Hillary, and the rest of our government, want us to hate on Russia. The people who own our government want unrest wherever possible to further an agenda.


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
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:whathesaid:


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
^ you think the lesser warhawk party is solely responsible for the strategy of tension weve been employing on the Islamic world for over 75 years?


Correction: The people who own Hillary, and the rest of our government, want us to hate on Russia. The people who own our government want unrest wherever possible to further an agenda.


And so we should let them bring more of them into this country, to settle down and grow until they decides that they want the rules to their religion becomes rules to all religions. Then we all has to have security equipment, but without any guns because the government had took them all. And so now we totally depends on the help from our government (Because we are so sickly like hillary from eating too much GMO"S) to protect us while they are watching us and all the little children while taking a bath or taking a crap on the toilet through our security cameras that we need them at all times to surveillance our every movement, to make sure that no radical Muslim is not going to Jihad us to death unexpectedly. But really they are only going surveillance the homes of the ones that look appealing while being naked. But we cannot complain when the government decides to raise the price up on surveillance, if we don't pay, they just cut them off and let them suffer it out in the dark, alone without any protection at all, not even having a handgun. Do you know if you own a business, that if you stay open at a certain time, that the police recommend that you pay them more money to patrol your establishment more often on each shift?  If you don't pay, well you have to pray that no one will be coming to rob your establishment. But if the crime rate has risen a lot in your area, then you will be glad to pay them and some. There are a lot of angry people that were picked on by the police department, that they do not care anymore. Business owners will be glad to pay whatever they has to offer. The Mobs use to do that in the early years. That they will stage someone to muscle the business owners up so that they will have to pay them for protection. I wonder how much they charges to protect these businesses from radical extremists.

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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Douglas Howard]
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:wtf: :tinfoil: :cuckoo:


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
:wtf: :tinfoil: :cuckoo:


Well they has once said that about a great man, Trump. That he did not know what he was talking about. But is was found to be true.


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Douglas Howard]
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It's easy to prove Trump wrong, because he's constantly contradicting himself.  You can hear him say one thing about something, and then the opposite about that same thing.

Is Trump for or against legal abortion?
Is Trump for or against pot legalization?
Is Trump for or against an assault weapons ban?
Is Trump for or against tax cuts for the rich?
Is Trump for or against gay marriage?

He occasionally gets some things right, such as TPP and Russia, but he's generally a lying idiot.


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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The funniest thing about his flip flopping is how his supporters cherrypick the stuff they like and disregard everything else.

Trump: "im against abortion"

Trump supporter for abortion: "hes just saying that to get the pro life vote."


Trump: "im for abortion"

Trump supporter against abortion: "hes just saying that to get to get the pro choice vote."


Id say half of his supporters are gonna be severely disappointed, but considering he has no shot in the electoral math, its more like 100%


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
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It's a strategy that seems to work with Trump followers, as we've seen in the Political Forum.


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
The first Iraq war? Lemme guess, war for oil? If your friend has oil, should you just ignore them?

spock said:
Should we just let Vladimir take what he wants without consequence? Hillary wants us to stick up for our friends. This view of a kinder, warmer and fuzzier Putin is naive. Putin is a KGB thug who longs for the good ole days. Taking Crimea was not cool and puts world stability in danger. It was illegal. Not sticking up for friends is weak. 

Peace
Spock




The first Iraq war was sticking up for friends. And I give Bush credit for going in, getting the Iraqis out of Kuwait and then us getting out. He could have marched on Baghdad but chose not to. As far as Reps go, Bush sr should get more credit than he does. Raising taxes after the "read my lips" speech took balls to go against his supporters for the good of the country. There's a lot I don't agree with Bush sr but he was more of his own man than some US presidents. "Voodoo economics" is another example.

Peace
Spock

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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
spock said:
spock said:
Putin is a KGB thug who longs for the good ole days.


Putin wants a return to Communism?  I'd love to see your evidence for that.
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He wants his empire back.

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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: spock]
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"Raising taxes for the good of the country" is an oxymoron


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
"Raising taxes for the good of the country" is an oxymoron


You Reps just want free stuff.lol

Peace
Spock

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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: spock]
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spock said:
hostileuniverse said:
"Raising taxes for the good of the country" is an oxymoron


You Reps just want free stuff.lol

Peace
Spock


Touché


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I don't care who likes/hate them. Fuck Russia. Fuck Russia up the ass. Russia is a backwards ass poor pathetic country run by a worthless dictator. Putin is a dictator and an ass.

We don't need to be friends with Russia. Their military is pathetic compared to ours, their economy is shit, and they produce absolutely nothing of artistic or intellectual value.

Fuck Russia.

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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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spock said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
spock said:
Should we just let Vladimir take what he wants without consequence?


Of course not.  Should Vladimir just let the US take what we want without consequence?

Here's a VERY short summary of the situation, because I think very few people (besides Trump) understand it:


Crimea had been a Russian territory since 1783, until Khrushchev transferred it to Ukraine without the approval of the Crimean people.  Russia has had a naval base in Crimea since 1783, which has always remained under Russian control through today.

In 2014, there were a series of violent events in Ukraine culminating in the coup of Ukraine’s democratically elected President.

The US (as usual after coups) was quick to back the new leader who was pro-US and anti-Russian, and there is evidence the US helped orchestrate the coup,  while Russian speaking Eastern Ukraine (especially the Donbass region) and Crimea wanted nothing to do with the undemocratic Government and wanted to separate.

Crimea held a referendum, and overwhelmingly voted to return to Russia.  Russia accepted Crimea back; however, Donbass stayed with Ukraine.

There were no military casualties in Crimea, as the people there wanted to rejoin Russia, but there was (and still is) a great deal of conflict in Donbass between Western Ukraine and the Russian separatists.

Russia’s naval base in Crimea has great significance to both the US and Russia, as it is Russia’s only warm water naval port.  The US wants Crimea to return to Ukraine, and wants to make Ukraine part of NATO in violation of an earlier promise made not to expand NATO beyond Germany.  Meanwhile, Russia believes coups shouldn’t be recognized, and the Crimean people have a right to vote for their own leadership.

spock said:
Hillary wants us to stick up for our friends. This view of a kinder, warmer and fuzzier Putin is naive.


Hillary doesn't care one bit about the Ukrainian people, whose lives are now going to shit.  Her goal is to take Russia's only warm water port away from them and give it to NATO.

spock said:
Taking Crimea was not cool and puts world stability in danger. It was illegal. Not sticking up for friends is weak.


Taking Ukraine through a coup was not cool and puts world stability in danger.  It was illegal.  Not sticking up for democracy is weak.

spock said:
Putin is a KGB thug who longs for the good ole days.


Putin wants a return to Communism?  I'd love to see your evidence for that.


He wants his empire back.


I'd love to see your evidence that Putin wants "his empire back".  Remember, it was the US that orchestrated a coup in Ukraine to expand NATO and to try and take the Crimean naval base from Russia.


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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-06/putin-s-military-buildup-in-the-baltic-stokes-invasion-fears


Peace
Spock

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Re: Hillary wants us to hate on Russia [Re: nooneman] * 1
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nooneman said:
I don't care who likes/hate them. Fuck Russia. Fuck Russia up the ass. Russia is a backwards ass poor pathetic country run by a worthless dictator. Putin is a dictator and an ass.

We don't need to be friends with Russia. Their military is pathetic compared to ours, their economy is shit, and they produce absolutely nothing of artistic or intellectual value.

Fuck Russia.


Oh really?

I note Russia has put Assad firmly back in power despite the money and weapons the US gives Jihadist mercs (while claiming they're against ISIS). Perhaps that worked giving the Soviets their "Vietnam" in Afghanistan back in the 80's but it's not working now.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/356454-russia-isis-iran-us-airbase/

Before Vladimir Putin ordered Russian military intervention in Syria at the end of last September, the government of President Bashar Assad was on the ropes. Rebels and foreign-backed militants were threatening to topple Assad in accordance with the objective of regime change supported by Washington and its NATO allies, Britain and France, and partners across the region – Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel.

I note the Russians would give NATO a hammering. I wouldn't write the bear off as "pathetic."

http://www.stripes.com/news/europe/report-russia-defeats-nato-in-baltic-war-game-1.392103

STUTTGART, Germany — A Russian offensive on NATO territory in the Baltics would overwhelm underarmed alliance forces in a matter of hours, leaving NATO with a harsh dilemma: Launch a long, bloody counteroffensive or concede defeat.

That is the conclusion of a new report by Rand Corp., which conducted a series of elaborate war games from summer 2014 to spring 2015 with the assistance of numerous American military commands and experts.

How do the Americans stack up to the Russians? News is not good.

https://cofda.wordpress.com/2015/10/04/u-s-repeatedly-loses-in-pentagon-war-games-against-russia/

U.S. repeatedly loses in Pentagon war games against Russia

The fact that U.S. repeatedly lost in the Pentagon’s own war games against Russia could explain why, according to a Sept. 25, 2015 article on the Russian news site, SvetKolemnas.Info, a “summary report of the Russian Ministry of Defense for the internal needs of the Kremlin” states that within three weeks after President Putin orders a “first strike” against America and its NATO allies, the military forces of the Russian Federation will achieve “a total defeat” of U.S. military forces, including:

The destruction of all 18 US aircraft carriers and ships capable of carrying aircraft, and of all US and NATO military satellites.
The strategic takeover of heavy weapons.
The “erasing” of all US bases in the UK.
The total loss of US and NATO troops of over 35,000 (dead, wounded, captured and missing), and material losses of at least 15 trillion dollars (ships, aircraft, weapons, etc.)

Are the Russians good at war? Well, they appear to be top of the class.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/701821/Russia-Olympics-medal-war-games-army-blast-Rio

Russia may be flopping in Rio but tops medal table at sinister wargames Olympics

Russia clinched 20 golds, with Kazakhstan winning two and China just one.

Nearly 20 countries joined in the international event hosted by the Russian Ministry of Defence, which was launched by President Vladimir Putin last year.


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