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I had posted this to /r/MorbidReality but was called a shill, among other things. Someone there suggested I post to /r/conspiracy instead. I decided to just copy and paste exactly what I had posted there, and I will also provide the link to that post so you can gander at peoples responses there. I did post some rather insightful responses to their accusations that should help you understand further the gravity of this situation.

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/MorbidReality/comments/2jd602/i_am_distraught_over_what_i_recently_saw/

Take a look at the evidence and perspective with your heart and your humanity. An open mind. Please read below for all the evidence.

DISCLAIMER: In order for this post of mine to make sense and due to the nature of this situation to be portrayed properly I'm going to have to write everything I can to help you understand my perspective. So thank you ahead of time for reading this. I am extremely conflicted right now and I have not been able to stop thinking about this and I could barely sleep at all last night. feel like I need to do something, I have this constant urge to scream for the voices that are being quelled by the legal jargon of the people running McKamey Manor.

Two nights ago I watched the very popular 2013 Promo Video for McKamey Manor. While I watched it my friend and I were laughing, scared, feeling empathetic but hell, we just said "hey, well it's fake right, you know you aren't gonna die right?. That's what most people's first response was, In 2013 it was a 2-3 hour tour. After watching this video I watched some more, did some research. This was the general consensus of people watching and commenting on videos

    This is all just an "act", it is not illegal
    The people knew what they were getting into, so how could it be?
    This guy, "Russ", is such a "nice guy!"
    It's "cool" that he only asks for dog food can, and a donation.
    "Bah, this don't seem so bad, I could do this, bring it on!* (This is an overwhelming perspective, they view this as a game, but it is not at all a game as I'll explain below)

After watching more videos from the past, and if you wish to appropriately gain the same perspective I have you may have to do so yourself to see this first hand, I strongly suggest that you do watch them. I realized that he is constantly filling his videos with subtle self-preserving tactics that he think's protects him from the Law in terms of what he's doing. It just seemed odd, why would he feel the need to do something like this... but it only gets worse.. Much worse. Remember this is before I had come to any conclusions about the guy, it just seemed strange that he would almost purposefully implement things that he thinks would later potentially help him in a court case, and I'm not talking about saying anything openly direct but subtle things

Throughout the years 2010-2014 his "Haunt" has become increasingly scary, but also increasingly torturous, I'm talking about legal definitions of torture here, not some kind of "tickle torture" which would be seen as trivial.

This year is very bad, it's a representation of his growing inner-sadism and evil nature, similar to how psychopathic killers progressively get worse and worse. The tour of this "Haunt" is now 4-7 hours. People who view these videos are seeing a few 3-5 second clips being changed constantly and portray some pretty vile things from 2013. But last night I watched a video from this years "Haunt".

I am talking about a video between the Marine and someone who refers himself as to a fearless, thrillseeker. These men are by no definition Wimps, and they've endured a lot in their life that has made them as hardened as men can be.

For those who haven't seen it, it's embedded on this website.

http://www.viralglobalnews.com/entertainment/halloweens-most-extreme-haunted-house-showcases-your-worst-nightmares/19326/ WARNING ^ THIS VIDEO TITLED "McKamey Manor 2014" IS VERY VERY DISTURBING, BEYOND ANY POINT SOMETHING "FAKE or ACTING" COULD BE DISTURBING, IT IS NOT DISTURBING DUE TO ITS GRAPHIC NATURE BUT DUE TO THE TESTIMONY OF THE VICTIM AND THE REALITY OF THE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA YOU ARE ABOUT TO WITNESS

I don't know how it's still up on the site, and I don't know how long it will be up, so please watch it now before it is no longer available

It's been removed by the official McKamey Manor YouTube page for obvious reasons, but for some reason this site still has it. It took me a long time to find this and I don't even know how it's connected to the YouTube servers that have this video still. But either way, be thankful you can see it

Guys, now that you've watched the video. You can see this is not at all what the man who runs this place makes it out to be and he is not the man he makes himself out to be. This is full-fledged torture under false pretenses. This is Illegal, Federally and Internationally.

KEEP PERSPECTIVE: Remember, the clips from all the other videos are all small clips, they don't give the real accounts of these people. During the video, the Thrillseeker around 18 minutes in, begins to describe very disturbing things. He says "People think what they see online is real?. They don't know anything.." "This is worse.. this is the worst thing anyone can do to someone", the list of his pleas continues and if you watched the video you will see exactly what I mean.

Now one of the additionally most disturbing things about this is what the owner of this place begins saying, and how he acts. His tone of voice is not that of a sane person pretending. It is the same tone you would expect to hear from a serial killer, in this case a serial torturer.

He uses subtle tactics to keep the "Thrillseeker" from telling the camera what really went on behind the scenes. He fluctuates between anger, and a playful spirit that is trying to play it off as being this "No big deal" thing, then right back into asking if the person really wants to quit or not, and how he's "missing out on the really really scary part" that happens next. This is AFTER the fact the victim just said "It just keeps getting worse, and worse, and worse" and how we don't really "see what's actually happening" in the ANY of the previous videos.

all this is from the video the owner has decided to REMOVE, which I don't blame him for because it was an exposure of the truth of his sadistic experiment*

Now, isn't it apparent what all this implies?

    Public Manipulation by Propaganda via YouTube - He ex-NAVY, he is not stupid. He understands these types of tactics.
    Pretends that the victims have "fun" and that this is for their "entertainment" trying to assure viewers that they all love it.
    Presenting only small % of actual torture, 3-5 second clips versus the reality of 4-7 hours.
    Harsh psychological degradation and brainwashing tactics, by the end of this any man would feel like he was helpless and can be persuaded practically to believe anything, especially thing's they've never really fully understood before such as: LAW.
    Being conned, mislead, persuaded into allowing full-fledged torture, from start to finish, from the moment he "selects you" you are part of his con.
    Using things like Greyhound Donations as a cover and to gain public empathy/sympathy
    Use of a NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.
    Capitalizing on the victims ignorance of Contracts, Law and Human Rights to dupe people, and the online public, into believing this is all somehow "Ok" and legal, that they have no rights in the matter.
    Strong-arming using laws like an NDA to make the victims feel like there is literally nothing they can do about the perversion and criminal behavior they just endured.
    Post-Haunt/Torture Brainwashing, reaffirming in the victims head that there is nothing they can do about what just happened, and they're not allowed to tell anyone what happened. Notice There are no first hand reviews or testimonials online outside of the videos hosted by McKamey Manor and one female blogger, who undoubtedly was given a subtle treatment.
    No one "Haunt" is like the other, they can choose how horrifically they want to treat each victim, when a blogger goes there and probably tells them she's going to review, they can at their own discretion give her whatever type of experience they want her to relay back to the public.
    Even during her blog review, she said she couldn't talk about what happened.

Due to this ignorance, public opinion is easily swayed due to their lack of properly assessing the situation. These tortures last 7 hours, we're shown 5-10 second clips and we think it's for fun. But they aren't putting themselves in the victims shoes, and they aren't realizing that 5-10 second clips are an infinitesimally small % of how long 7 hours truly is. You will commonly hear people online saying it can't be that bad because it's "Fake"

These people do not understand that in the perspective of someone being physically and mentally tortured 7 hours is not 7 hours anymore, it's much longer. You know those long days at school? "5 more hours? aww man whens this gonna end... this feels like torture!" Now.. Imagine being physically forced to endure excruciating torture for 7 hours, and literally have no way out?

People can cry, scream, and do whatever they want but those cries are not heard, the only way out is to get to a point medically of such mental or physical degradation you LITERALLY cannot continue without dying. Anything before this point is absolutely ignored, you cannot escape. That is one of the most sadistic parts of this torture, is that no matter your pleas, no matter your pain. *they push this to the absolute LIMIT**, they will push you and push you, and remember it gets worse and worse. You must keep your perspective aligned with the victim, not the criminal.

Now that I've established all that, I would like to add that many people online are saying this is legal due to the fact that it's on HIS property. But unfortunately for him, I don't think he understands that his "property" does not protect him from International Laws in regards to Torture, which also cover the torture between any peoples regardless of the government, and regardless of whether or not it is in times of War or otherwise.

Read more on this here:

This page http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html explains the Laws that apply to the United States as well under the

"CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment"

EXTRA READING: During his videos you can also hear him get very upset when the patrons are not willing to continue, as if HE is the one who is missing out on something, not the patrons.

These are the acts of definitive torture I've witnessed in these videos, a stark contrast between 2010/11/12/13/14, progressively getting much much more sadistic.

    Waterboarding
    Forced to eat dirt with worms
    Having a working drill shoving into mouth
    Humiliation
    Psychological Degradation
    Induced Hypothermia
    Forced to eat foods
    Duct-taping
    Assault and Battery

This is a very small list, but remember what the most victim said, "You think you know what you see online is real? You think that's bad?" "It's much worse than you think, how can this be ok?"

Listen to his voice, get beyond the manipulation of this, and look in his eyes, his soul, and you will feel his the pain, and hopelessness in his voice.

Last night I couldn't sleep.. this has been eating at me and I can't avoid doing something or trying to tell someone else about this.. I've seen horrible things online.

I was probably 10 years old when I first ever saw the infamous rotten.com, all the grossest shit online, I've fucking seen. Dicks chopped off, etc. But never, in my life, have I felt so much empathy, sadness and fear from things like this. This is too real, and the fact that it's under the guise of being legal and that it's on the cusp of being acceptable by some people is scaring me even more. The manipulation, and what I feel I've uncovered is a CRIME the likes of which are comparable to Ted Bundy, or some other notorious serial killer. There needs to be an investigation, the proof and the evidence you need is in the videos and the cries of the victims.

Those other things like rotten, I could never do anything to stop, it was disturbing but.. It wasn't happening anymore or at least I could tell myself that. This on the other-hand is a very, very elaborate crime and a ruse that turned that healthy man into a very injured soul, reminiscent of a small child who had just seen something horrific and would never be the same again. The emotional pain, the trauma, the manipulation of this entire situation by this Russ guy, it's all killing me inside.

If you would like more of my perspective I strongly urge you to read the post I made on /r/MorbidReality to see my responses to people who were defending the man. Defending a serial-torturer.

It is only a matter of time till someone dies, and it may be swept under the rug, If we don't do something then we are also going to be to blame

This must be investigated.

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I have seen many articles, blogs, etc done in regards to what is considered to be the MOST EXTREME HAUNTED HOUSE in existence: McKamey Manor!!

First, lets start off by stating that this is not the typical haunted house that you take your children to on a Saturday evening. THIS IS EXTREME and is very important to understand before committing to doing this experience. There are no tickets to buy. There is no line to wait in. You MUST be 21 to be considered. And there is a waiting list of over 17,000 people trying to get in from all over the world. Also, you must pass the physical and mental screening check that they give you before even being CONSIDERED for a tour. To sum it up, they are very selective of who they allow in due to the extreme nature of the tour.

Once on the waiting list, you will find that there are thousands of people that have different reasons for wanting to go in. We are all very interactive with each other, communicate on a daily basis (about the haunt and day to day life as well). It has been described by most of us as a family to some degree. There is no profanity allowed in the group and no personal insults are tolerated within the group. You will be banned and kicked off the waiting list for violating either of those terms. They go above and beyond to make sure that we all have a great and comfortable environment to chat, talk, share pics, etc while waiting for our turn on the list. They themselves will even join in on the chats quite frequently. Does this sound like the moderating of a "sick and sadistic" person?

As for the "haunt" itself, it is true that not many know first hand of what happens inside. Each experience is somewhat tailored to the individuals going through at that particular time. One person's experience can vary quite differently from another persons. The things we do know though are: you will be subject to physical contact, you will experience eating things you will not like, it will be VERY VERY physically and mentally challenging (that is putting it mildly), you will come out with some bumps and bruises most likely, and you will be TERRIFIED!!!! You will also sign a waiver allowing all of this to happen and will be warned well in advance. Also, there is no safe word. Once you are in, you are in. They will monitor you closely throughout the tour and they will stop the tour at any point they feel you can't physically or mentally handle it any more.

All in all, this "haunt" is definitely not for most people. Those of us who want to go through like the idea of being pushed to our physical and mental limits and that is EXACTLY what McKamey Manor offers us. We will most likely cry, scream, feel certain amounts of pain and discomfort throughout the tour but those are the limits we WANT to push ourselves to. McKamey Manor is not doing this because they are bored, sadistic, evil, or whatever other negative things people say. McKamey Manor does this to promote a great cause (Operation Greyhound) and also because there is a demand for it (over 17,000 people long). So remember that last part before you decide to pass judgement on McKamey Manor and those associated with it. If nobody signed up to do it, they wouldn't do it!!!

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