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most haunted......who believes it?
    #6227102 - 10/30/06 05:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

really, does anyone watch this show and believe any of it? i mean i believed in hauntings more before i saw the show. they just run around with night vision yelling "what was that?!" and the queer eye for the psychic guy on the show kills me too! ha ha! "tell me your name" "i am getting the name ferdinan, does that mean anything?" why yes it was the guy who built the house in 1673. wow why isnt this guy out looking for bin laden or something. the worst part is, i sit there and watch the whole damn show...it must be entertaining. ha ha....
does anyone think its real and that i am just skeptical?


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: elduque]
    #6227110 - 10/30/06 05:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You're skeptical of these things, as am I. It's not a bad thing, IMHO. :cool:


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #6227160 - 10/30/06 05:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i like to keep an open mind about things and i think it would be cool, if they could somehow prove it, but they made a whole show on this and they never get any proof. just well maybe it coulda been. its like gilligans island...tons of shows but you know they are not going to get off the island.


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: elduque]
    #6227227 - 10/30/06 06:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I believe in supernatural activities, hauntings, etc. I live in America's most haunted city. My roommate is a medium and can converse with the dead, if you believe in such things...All I know is that since she moved in, strange things HAVE been occurring. It's been enough proof for me, but then again, I'm easily influenced.

However, I believe that in the show they are really grasping for straws. How difficult would it be for the owner of whatever location they're filming at to set up some good, realistic scares just for publicity sake? Sometimes they're obviously "trying too hard".


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: elduque]
    #6227236 - 10/30/06 06:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see solid, concrete proof of ghosts and life after death. It's just I haven't seen anything to conclusively prove it.


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #6227286 - 10/30/06 06:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see solid, concrete proof of ghosts and life after death. It's just I haven't seen anything to conclusively prove it.




The problem with proving anything is that what people accept as "proof" varies from one individual to another. How your brain connects events that could be considered proof definitely plays a part.

A tip that my roomie gave me when we were rolling our asses off and having a deep discussion about the supernatural - before anything can be proven to you, you have to know what you would accept as proof. If you want to see a loaf of bread magically levitate and fly across the room, then you're probably not going to accept things like doors being left open, items being rearranged, etc.


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: LingeringDestiny]
    #6227334 - 10/30/06 06:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

This is true. I just need something more concrete than such things, which could be attributed to simple human causes.


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #6227356 - 10/30/06 06:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i believe some supernatural things do exist (not sure if thats the right word) but that show is less than credible


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #6227362 - 10/30/06 06:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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This is true. I just need something more concrete than such things, which could be attributed to simple human causes.




I think that, in the end, it comes down to whether you WANT to believe in it or not. The greater your desire to believe, the more receptive you are to the proof, or at least you'll find more connections. It's directly related to the amount of skepticism you harbor.


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: LingeringDestiny]
    #6227437 - 10/30/06 06:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

true, very true. but some things are such obvious fakes that even if they got something credible i would be skeptical to believe it


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: LingeringDestiny]
    #6227443 - 10/30/06 06:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Most Haunted is an ok show to watch for entertainment, but if you want to see real paranormal investigators who get the job done right check out Ghost Hunters on Sci-fi. They attack the paranormal through scientific evaluation and investigations. No psychics, no set ups and no bullshit. Also as an amature paranormal investigator myself im convinced that there is a life after death. Ive seen objects move, heard clear voices of things that were not there, recorded spirits talking and communicating on tape, etc. I always approach a said-to-be haunted location as a skeptic and expect "proof" before saying a location has activity. Unfortunately, some times that proof happens on a investigation and cant always be documented and recorded. Oh well, ive seen some stuff and im a believer, but capturing undeniable proof that cant be discredited is always the goal.

Yea and most psychics really give legit paranormal investigation a bad name and rep.


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: ImaWonderwall]
    #6227490 - 10/30/06 06:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i have watched that show and i like it a lot more than most haunted. and i believe my grand parents and parents when they say that the house they live in is haunted and i have seen 3 old men come running up from the barn one night and all three say a horse galloped right by them and down the woodline moving the branches as it went. there is no way they all had the same experience if it didnt really happen...i do not doubt they had a brush with something supernatural...before my parents lived there my grand parents did...it is a museum in massachusetts they are the caretakers of one of the oldest homes in the states. strange things happen there.


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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: elduque]
    #6227744 - 10/30/06 08:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

28 October 2005
SPOOKY TRUTH
TV'S MOST HAUNTED CON EXPOSED TV medium 'faked' being possessed by dead jailer Producer hit soundman and pretended it was a ghost
By Matt Roper

THE TV show that has spooked millions with its footage of hauntings and poltergeists is today exposed as a fake - by one its own stars.

Resident parapsychologist Dr Ciaran O'Keeffe has sensationally lifted the lid on the ghosthunting series, Most Haunted ... and claims that the public are being deceived by "showmanship and dramatics."

He accuses the show's medium Derek Acorah of hoodwinking viewers by pretending to communicate with spirits and obtaining information about locations prior to filming.

The Mirror has also obtained unedited footage which appears to show presenter Yvette Fielding and her husband faking 'paranormal' occurrences such as ghostly bumps and knocks.

Most Haunted has quickly achieved cult status since it was launched in 2002 and is LivingTV's most successful programme.

Millions of viewers tune in regularly to watch Ex-Blue Peter girl Yvette and her team of ghost hunters spend the night in some of Britain's most haunted locations.


It has made Acorah - who claims to be guided by an Ethiopian spirit guide called Sam - into one of the country's best-known psychics.


Tonight the show will start its biggest ever live vigil, a four-night Halloween special from East London following the murderous trail of Jack the Ripper.


Yvette Fielding has said of the show - which is made by her husband Karl Beattie's production company Antix Productions: "There is no acting in this programme, none whatsoever. Everything you see and you hear is real. It's not made up, it's not acted."


But our investigation reveals how the programme uses careful editing to mislead viewers and, on at least one occasion, has even lied about the location of filming.


Ciaran, a lecturer in the paranormal at Liverpool's Hope University, knows speaking out will probably put an end to his media career... but he believes viewers should know the truth.


He says: "I think it's time to open the dialogue about what I've experienced on Most Haunted. There have been many incidents with the medium that have been brushed under the carpet.


"I was put in the show to give a professional slant to it, to give it an element of credibility, but the sceptical argument is just swept away.


"In my opinion, we're not dealing with genuine mediumship."


He says he isn't the only member of the crew who feels viewers are being cheated.


"Other crew members have been irked by Derek and what's going on, because it turns what should be a serious investigation into a laughing matter."


And our exclusive footage shows other members of the team occasionally forget they are on camera.


One of our clips, later edited out, shows Karl push an unwitting sound man in the dark and pretend it was a poltergeist attack.


In the remaining footage he says (after surreptitiously hitting the soundman): "S**t, did you feel that?"


Yvette: Are you all right? What's happened?


Karl: I felt something touch me on my shoulder.


Soundman: I felt something hit me.


And in another edited clip with medium Ian Lawman, Yvette is seen on camera making a deep sigh. In the scene that eventually went to air, Ian (after Yvette sighs) says: "What's that noise?


Yvette: What noise? Like a moan?


Ian: Breathing or something.


Yvette: I heard like an 'arrggh'.


Ciaran, who joined Most Haunted in April 2004 became suspicious of Acorah's antics on a shoot at Castle Leslie, Co Monaghan in Ireland where a 17th Century four-poster bed has been claimed to levitate.


Ciaran recalls: "As we walked into the bedroom, Derek touched the bed and came out with extremely accurate information.


"He insisted he got all the information just from touching the bed. But it was the wrong bed."


Antix Productions claims the mediums have no idea where they will be filming or know any details about the history of the locations.


But Ciaran says: "Derek must have had prior knowledge of the locations."


He devised a plan to see if Derek was deliberately deceiving the public.


While on a shoot at Bodmin gaol he invented a long-dead South African jailer called Kreed Kafer - an anagram of Derek Faker.


"I wrote the name down and asked another member of the crew to mention it to Derek before filming.


"I honestly didn't think Derek would take the bait. But during the filming he actually got possessed by my fictional character!"


On the next shoot at Prideaux Place, Cornwall, Ciaran made up another fictional character, highwayman Rik Eedles - an anagram of Derek Lies. Sure enough, Derek made contact with the dead outlaw.


Ciaran says: "In my professional opinion we're not dealing with a genuine medium.


"When Derek is possessed he is doing it consciously - all we are seeing is showmanship and dramatics."


Ciaran went a step further at Craigievar Castle, near Aberdeen.


"I made up stories about Richard the Lionheart, a witch, and Richard's apparition appearing to walk through a wardrobe - the lion, the witch and the wardrobe!" True to form, Derek mentioned all Ciaran's stories - even though Richard I reigned 500 years BEFORE Craigievar Castle was built.


The final straw came last month when Most Haunted presented a three-night special from Manchester.


On the second evening, the show claimed to be broadcasting live from the site of Cheadle's Victorian asylum, a place where - according to presenter David Bull - thousands died in torment. In fact they were in the derelict remains of Barnes Convalescence Home - where nobody died in torment.


Ciaran remembers: "Derek was communicating with spirits that sounded as if they'd been in an asylum, but it was never an asylum."


Yesterday the Mirror confronted Derek Acorah with Ciaran's allegations. He told us: "I've worked with Ciaran for many shows and he's got every right to say what he says.


"However, it does shock and surprise me. Not only do I believe that I am a genuine medium - I live my work 24 hours a day. If I thought that I wasn't a true medium, I wouldn't work as one."


A spokesman for LivingTV said: "Ciaran O'Keeffe has worked as the programme's official sceptic for 18 months and during this time has not brought any of his concerns to our attention.


"LivingTV has not seen any of your filmed evidence, but will fully investigate your claims."
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Re: most haunted......who believes it? [Re: elduque]
    #6227817 - 10/30/06 08:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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