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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: badchad]
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yea, but didn't you read the "answer"?
the future 'you' is actually a devious devil who has been feeding you lies, and saying yes actually plunges you into an eternity of repetition with no way out


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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
What if you are in that cycle now :eek:



I just got to page 2 so maybe I can break it :evil:


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
OK, for most people we are now on page 2 so I';m going to break it to you all: ITS A TRAP and 3/4 of you fell for it!

FUCK ANYTHING THE SO CALLED "OTHER YOU" SAYS!

If you grab that hand, there is a risk, the probability of which we cannot know, that you enter a time loop of exactly the same events, between 3 years old and now, that repeats itself infinitely.

Buy the ticket, take the ride.




Not a thousand times, not a million or billion times, an infinite number of times, exactly the same, forever disconnected from birth or death and whatever comes after death. Death we fear like nothing.. but wouldn't this very possibly be a fate worse than death?

Think about it, forever and ever and ever, a tight closed loop of exactly the same, cut off from the whole universe but those mere few decades, from that point of view, over and over, no breaks, no salvation, a broken record stuck in time.

That risk, the risk that THAT ATROCITY might be your eternal fate, no matter how great or small the risk or no matter how happy your life has been, that risk of eternal stagnance is so menacing that there is ONLY ONE RIGHT ANSWER and that is to choose death, to let the nuke do its thing and the universe do its thing with you thereafter.

So far only Bill and I and one opt-out chose that answer. We'll see how the poll progresses.

When my Spirit Guide posed that question I chose death instinctively, and then I found out what the catch was. He then went on to teach: "There is only one eternal loop and that is the totality of everything, all other loops sooner or later break and spill you out into the rest of the universe, but you could have been in there for an extremely long time, causing your spirit an anguish your human mind cannot fathom. Think of death as restful sleep and your spirit having to go through many many lifetimes of hard work without even a second of sleep and no way to give up."

Guys, my apologies for setting a trap like that, even hypothetically :heart:







I thought so.
My feeling was you don't know who this "other you" actually is.
It could be an evil, malevolent entity tricking you into some deal.


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Pain is temporary. It may last for a minute or an hour or a day or even a year but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it will last forever.

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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: Asante]
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There is no reason to believe that it will be exactly the same every time.  Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.  Further, so what?  You don't know you are living groundhog Day over and over again so why would you care?


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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: daz01]
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yes, but!

if it is an evil entity which cannot be trusted,
and this entity truly has the power to start this endless cycle of repetition,
than why does it make sense to assume we have any choice in the matter at all?




the way i see it, once we have establish this entity as a malicious being, than it no longer makes sense to assume it will respect our decision

and so, if in that situation my decision no longer should be assumed to matter, it makes more sense to me to assume that this other "you" is infact telling the truth--as i see it, there is nothing to lose by assuming this entity is truthful


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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: zappaisgod]
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There is no reason to expect that outcome, but that outcome cannot be ruled out either. This instance of the universe from big bang to evaporation of the final black hole might entirely be ruled by cause and effect. Since all memory is lost in the jump back to the third birthday, there's nothing different in your life, so why should you act any different?


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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: Asante]
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there i no reason to expect that outcome?

Asante said:
This is one alternative world of many worlds, no time to explain.

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You will remember nothing but throughout your life there wil be clues that something is not right. They will hopefully result in you being in a safe country when this day comes around next time around. This is the best I can do for you at this point.




assuming this information is true, than an alternative reality is exactly the outcome to expect

and if, as i said above, this information is not true, than why should i expect the option of having a choice to still hold true?


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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
yes, but!

if it is an evil entity which cannot be trusted,
and this entity truly has the power to start this endless cycle of repetition,
than why does it make sense to assume we have any choice in the matter at all?




the way i see it, once we have establish this entity as a malicious being, than it no longer makes sense to assume it will respect our decision

and so, if in that situation my decision no longer should be assumed to matter, it makes more sense to me to assume that this other "you" is infact telling the truth--as i see it, there is nothing to lose by assuming this entity is truthful




Now we enter the spiritual realm.

NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING TO YOU WITHOUT SOME FORM OF PERMISSION BEING GIVEN IN THE SPIRIT WORLD.

If Zappaisgod offends the crap out of me, whats actually happening is that Zappa is doing his thing and its my choice to let his words offend me to no end. He isnt doing it to me, I'm doing it to myself.

Whatever this entity is may need your cooperation to get you where it wants you, by your own choice.


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Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
there i no reason to expect that outcome?

Asante said:
This is one alternative world of many worlds, no time to explain.

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You will remember nothing but throughout your life there wil be clues that something is not right. They will hopefully result in you being in a safe country when this day comes around next time around. This is the best I can do for you at this point.




assuming this information is true, than an alternative reality is exactly the outcome to expect

and if, as i said above, this information is not true, than why should i expect the option of having a choice to still hold true?




Those were the words of the Entity. They may be lies.


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Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
There is no reason to expect that outcome, but that outcome cannot be ruled out either. This instance of the universe from big bang to evaporation of the final black hole might entirely be ruled by cause and effect. Since all memory is lost in the jump back to the third birthday, there's nothing different in your life, so why should you act any different?


Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle  And you didn't answer my second question.  Why should you care if it is the same every time?  You don't know you're caught in a loop.  For all you know this could already be the 595th repeat  Are you a firstist?


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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
shivas.wisdom said:
yes, but!

if it is an evil entity which cannot be trusted,
and this entity truly has the power to start this endless cycle of repetition,
than why does it make sense to assume we have any choice in the matter at all?




the way i see it, once we have establish this entity as a malicious being, than it no longer makes sense to assume it will respect our decision

and so, if in that situation my decision no longer should be assumed to matter, it makes more sense to me to assume that this other "you" is infact telling the truth--as i see it, there is nothing to lose by assuming this entity is truthful




Now we enter the spiritual realm.

NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING TO YOU WITHOUT SOME FORM OF PERMISSION BEING GIVEN IN THE SPIRIT WORLD.

If Zappaisgod offends the crap out of me, whats actually happening is that Zappa is doing his thing and its my choice to let his words offend me to no end. He isnt doing it to me, I'm doing it to myself.

Whatever this entity is may need your cooperation to get you where it wants you, by your own choice.



Ever read Breakfast of Champions?  I'm an offending robot and you are the only real human.  I am filling my role quite well. Bot bot.


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Re: A huge dilemma! Choose wisely! [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
Now we enter the spiritual realm.



well, if you want to take it in this direction, than personally i am confident in my connection to shiva and all the protections afforded by the destroyer, and would not worry about a lesser entity circumventing these protections


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