Prisoner#1 said:

Sophistic Radiance said:

Did I hear that the Japanese submitted their unconditional surrender before they got nuked twice? The U.S. just wanted to make an example of them? Fucking terrible, but of course the US will never apologize for its terrorism.

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only one flaw in this

japan never made an unconditional surrender until after they were nuked

what exactly was it that japan did prior to and during WWII, oh yeah, korea and
china are the first things that come to mind, then comes the treatment of
prisoners during the war

why do they deserve an apology?

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The Prisoners Themselves believed that the Prison Guards are the the president himself were assholes. 
As i said they are from japan so there judgement is very fast indeed.  They dont like being trapped in a cell.  There is good reason to believe they are into sabotree

BERSERK DESTROYER said:

Prisoner#1 said:

Sophistic Radiance said:

Did I hear that the Japanese submitted their unconditional surrender before they got nuked twice? The U.S. just wanted to make an example of them? Fucking terrible, but of course the US will never apologize for its terrorism.

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only one flaw in this

japan never made an unconditional surrender until after they were nuked

what exactly was it that japan did prior to and during WWII, oh yeah, korea and
china are the first things that come to mind, then comes the treatment of
prisoners during the war

why do they deserve an apology?

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Oh, so now systematic gang rape and mass murder on a level potentially surpassing that carried out by the Nazis is a bad thing? HOW DARE YOU?! Hirohito got off lightly, but I guess he wasn't personally really doing a tremendous amount except acting as a figurehead.

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BrotherManBill said:

Japan didn't start that war, and killed far less people than the Nazi's or the Russians at that time. And I never said we didn't help those countries, but we did far less than we could have for our allies, who basically faught that war for us.

And to defend the idea that we owe them nothing is outrageous. Millions of innocent people died, just to make a point. That is what the atomic bomb was, a race for power and dominance. And it was released on not soldiers, but civilians.

Say whatever you will, we do and will own Japan a huge debt for what we did, and that is how it should be. To say otherwise is going against all humanitarian rights we have worked for in this country, so that people cannot do the same to us.

Its a two way street, we aren't special, we don't have "God given rights" as americans, its people in general. And to think otherwise is missing the point.

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Prisoner#1 said:

I thought you meant faygotree

I still didnt understand any of what you said

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Prisoner#1 said:

now japan did apologize for raping innocent women and children and murdering
millions of people so everything is all better now, the dead came back to life,
the women and children were unfucked and it was like it never happened. the only
reason we even remember WWII is because the US never made an apology to japan or
to hitler for ruining his nazi party

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BrotherManBill said:

I'm not trying to make death marginal, in fact its the exact opposite. The original question was should we apologize? Which we did, yet, I don't think that is enough. What they have done to other countries or their own is of no concern. Because if this was the other way around you all would be in this thread demanding reparations. So shut the fuck up and admit that we did wrong.

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BrotherManBill said:

Pearl harbor was an army base, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities filled with innocent people. This isn't about being fair, its about trying to make up for something that was unnecessary and way over the line. It's pretty easy to sit here in a country that has never been invaded, or really lived through the aftermath of war, for that matter, and say that they had it coming.

It wasn't the Japanese people who did that to us, it was their army. We responded by wiping out two cities. A drastic overreaction in my eyes. You can go on thinking it was justified, but we knew those bombers were on their way, and did nothing.

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BrotherManBill said:

Pearl harbor was an army base, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities filled with innocent people. This isn't about being fair, its about trying to make up for something that was unnecessary and way over the line. It's pretty easy to sit here in a country that has never been invaded, or really lived through the aftermath of war, for that matter, and say that they had it coming.

It wasn't the Japanese people who did that to us, it was their army. We responded by wiping out two cities. A drastic overreaction in my eyes. You can go on thinking it was justified, but we knew those bombers were on their way, and did nothing.

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Asante said:

Look, Germany bombed the Dutch city of Rotterdam in the Rotterdam Blitz to make my country surrender, this led to 884 casualties and is widely regarded as a War Crime.
Just saying.

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starfire_xes said:

I don't know if Japan really did anything wrong.....

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Asante said:

BrotherManBill said:

Pearl harbor was an army base, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities filled with innocent people. This isn't about being fair, its about trying to make up for something that was unnecessary and way over the line. It's pretty easy to sit here in a country that has never been invaded, or really lived through the aftermath of war, for that matter, and say that they had it coming.

It wasn't the Japanese people who did that to us, it was their army. We responded by wiping out two cities. A drastic overreaction in my eyes. You can go on thinking it was justified, but we knew those bombers were on their way, and did nothing.

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Don't forget the firebombing of Tokyo which was raid after raid of dropping cluster bombs of napalm and phosphorus on an in essence wooden city. One of those raids left 100,000 people dead and was the most destructive non nuclear bombing raid in history.

Look, Germany bombed the Dutch city of Rotterdam in the Rotterdam Blitz to make my country surrender, this led to 884 casualties and is widely regarded as a War Crime.
Just saying.

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BrotherManBill said:

Pearl harbor was an army base, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities filled with innocent people. This isn't about being fair, its about trying to make up for something that was unnecessary and way over the line. It's pretty easy to sit here in a country that has never been invaded, or really lived through the aftermath of war, for that matter, and say that they had it coming.

It wasn't the Japanese people who did that to us, it was their army. We responded by wiping out two cities. A drastic overreaction in my eyes. You can go on thinking it was justified, but we knew those bombers were on their way, and did nothing.

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Yeah they didn't do it to us, but their actions in China show they definitely would have. No one was fighting WWII like 'destroy the military and then win!' - every side fought WWII in the style of total war, where civilians are seen as resources and their will to fight is a lever to swing in your favor.

Just like the US, Japan had a draft, and Japan would divert almost all civilian efforts towards the war... so almost every citizen was actively increasing the fighting capabilities of the Japanese military - and in the beginning of 1945, the National Resistance Program made men 15 to 60 and women 17 to 40 subject to training for a projected final defense of the homeland if it was invaded.

So yeah what would your plan be as the US military? You talk about how we should've been more gentle, but what would you have done? Just sat around outside Japan and waited for them to surrender? As the US saw it, it was either killing a lot of them, or sacrificing a lot of us - to secure the end of the war in total subjugation.

Prisoner#1 said:

Asante said:

BrotherManBill said:

Pearl harbor was an army base, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities filled with innocent people. This isn't about being fair, its about trying to make up for something that was unnecessary and way over the line. It's pretty easy to sit here in a country that has never been invaded, or really lived through the aftermath of war, for that matter, and say that they had it coming.

It wasn't the Japanese people who did that to us, it was their army. We responded by wiping out two cities. A drastic overreaction in my eyes. You can go on thinking it was justified, but we knew those bombers were on their way, and did nothing.

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Don't forget the firebombing of Tokyo which was raid after raid of dropping cluster bombs of napalm and phosphorus on an in essence wooden city. One of those raids left 100,000 people dead and was the most destructive non nuclear bombing raid in history.

Look, Germany bombed the Dutch city of Rotterdam in the Rotterdam Blitz to make my country surrender, this led to 884 casualties and is widely regarded as a War Crime.
Just saying.

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did the dutch provoke the actions by attacking germany?

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Asante said:

The Netherlands were hit by the Nazis a whole lot harder than the US was hit by Japan. If The Netherlands had nuked two German cities I'd also consider it a war crime.

Just because someone else started it doesn't mean that anything goes.

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