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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Reminded me of a RAW quote:

"The seventh step in yoga is Samadhi, from sam, (union; cognate of Greek syn) and Adhis, the Lord (cognate, Hebrew Adonai, Greek Adonis). Here Patanjali and his successors are in violent dispute, some claiming there is only one Samadhi, others claiming two or three or many. Since this corresponds with the opening and imprinting of the neurogenetic circuit, we must opt for the opinion that there are many Samadhi, depending on which or how many of the Godly archetypes of the genetic archives are imprinted. Catholic mystics make Samadhi on the Virgin, Sufis on Allah, Aleister Crowley on Pan, etc.; and, above all this, the eighth circuit cosmic information network can also be imprinted, making union not just with all sentient beings and some emblematic archetype of the DNA master program, but with the inorganic universe as well. It was from this second order or meta-physiological Samadhi that Gandhi said, "God is in the rock, too—in the rock!" and pantheists of all sorts, in all tradi- tions, emphatically agree with Canadian psychiatrist, R.M. Bucke who said after his own Eighth-Circuit Samadhi that the universe "is not a dead machine but a living presence."


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Circuits is Leary-speak. Where would R.M. Bucke have spoken thusly? :shrug: Bucke  wrote contemporaneously with William James. I think Bucke's Cosmic Consciousness was published in 1900 and James'  The Varieties of Religious Experience in 1901.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I see nothing of R.M Bucke having spoken in terms of circuits, it's an assumption on the behalf of RAW that he was experiencing the 8th circuit of consciousness, yet also an assertion that most pantheists would agree that the universe "is not a dead machine but a living presence."  Anyways, the point was that there might be diversity in experiences of enlightenment, different flavors of enlightenment.  I like the idea, but you may take it with a grain of salt.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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I like the idea of the universe being conscious in varying degrees, not to mention degrees of Unitary mystical states being experienced, because this is what my own experience has shown me. Consciousness can be shifted to an astral body, which is still a body with directional vision even through it may seem invisible to the consciousness 'inhabiting' it. But there have been experiences that were of omnidirectional awareness without an egoic referent, either in terms of directionality (spatiality) or in terms of a 'me' with no name, memory, thought, or sensation - just light, compassion, and the awareness of Pure Identity. This was a much much more subtle condition of consciousness - perhaps a pinnacle experience for a human being. I have never considered pantheism to be accurate, perhaps panentheism is closer to it, but that seems more dualistic. Yet pantheism differs from monism even though they are both positing a unity (pan- theism meaning '[It's] all-God'). I don't know if a definition can adequately encapsulate Ultimate Reality to anyone's intellectual satisfaction.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Well, I suppose it's a different notion than The Perennial philosophy (Latin: philosophia perennis), [note 1] also referred to as Perennialism, is a perspective in the philosophy of religion which views each of the world's religious traditions as sharing a single, universal truth on which foundation all religious knowledge and doctrine has grown.  It may be more appropriate to think of some universals and some diversities, all is one, and all is many :wink:


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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I do see the equation of TRUTH = GOD = ULTIMATE REALITY. This is what Frithjof Schuon called in the title of his book, The Transcendent Unity of Religions and it is the Perennialist School (vs. the Constructionist School who does not embrace the ultimate Pure Consciousness Event or PCE but sees traditions necessarily forming all religious experiences). We talked about this and I've written at length on this topic, using my own Experience and how it could be seen through a variety of traditions, but that one tradition explicated it more robustly (to use a term from statistics) than the others. This doesn't mean that I had a Buddhist Experience so much as a school of Tibetan Buddhism had concepts that BEST expressed my experience in my estimation, after-the-fact.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Thanks for your concern Markos. To wellness all around, I'd say. :cheers: I am appreciating this thread to stimulate me to reflect, at this moment. Philosophy, the bitter drink, some good medicine...

I have to admit I haven't well groked the supposed basis of a science of happiness in Epicurus, which I have heard sometimes alluded to... I will have to read the later maxims more closely, but I think in any case I'd take the material cosmology more as a practical assumption. For instance material "substance" is what consists in atoms, and gathers and accumulates itself, in various aggregates according to theory, but what do we look to in Epicurus? It is specifically it is what fills our cup, or our well of wellness.

We know the feeling I think. I'd leave it to people who seem to want to "defend" or liberate a hedonistic ideal through scientism to do that, but I look to find a philosophy in feeling. Not that there isn't some logic in this that can be appreciated...

For instance, I was surprised to find that Epicurus's ancient discussion of hedone, "pleasure" is closely if not in gesture or principle basically related to this concept of ataraxia, or "tranquility". This ancient hedonism is not at the stake of health, and it seems he does sincerely raise the cup TO health. I think it must be a unified gesture...

3. "The magnitude of pleasure reaches its limit in the removal of all pain. When such pleasure is present, so long as it is uninterrupted, there is no pain either of body or of mind or of both together."

For one person I suppose this will always be sinking or losing one's head, or doing things in stupour that later poison the heart, but I see some reserve, while at the same time, trying to feel as full as possible on life. That seems okay to me. And could there be healing in a feeling, perhaps? That is what I would look to, as a somewhat broken down yogi at the moment. Anyway, I am quite well generally, and it is good to vent a little, so thanks for your concern Markos. To the matter!

Happiness is in my opinion not the right word, for Epicurus's goal, because it is too easy to say one is happy today. Epicurus is the philosopher not of mere happiness or contentedness, but joyousness, the wealth of wellness, what fills the cup...anyway that's what I'll say. Interesting discussion here, fellas.

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Oh, I think we have a variety of Pure Consciousness Experiences  and share similarities due to them, but they are no more the same than us experiencing comparable states of divinity on psychedelics...  Certain values of Compassion, Truth, Wisdom, Beauty etc. are shared, but they are not precisely the same.  There is diversity in the mix.  Singularity and Multiplicity exist within the system.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said:
Singularity and Multiplicity exist within the system.


I think this is an important and overlooked point -- the one and the many existing alongside each other in a complimentary way.


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Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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"Nirvana is Samsara, Samsara is Nirvana."


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
"Nirvana is Samsara, Samsara is Nirvana."


:raisemyglass:

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Re: The Present Moment: Which Flavor Do You Favor? [Re: topdog82]
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The simulation is The Matrix. With Neo within it. Thus is the present moment potent.. But only of the things simulated as projection.. So there is no questioning whether you are here or there, because you get caught in one of directions..

And that is a cardinal virtuosity.. Viscous and pliable as glue.Eating Bamboo.. A Panda Bear shows foils you,soils your night agent gown/dress.Thus are we all sacred, in selection and right.. But you have to go where you are, which is the key to projecting, matter and time as gold.Infinite classical awareness.The special and general relativity.. Is the place of the hologram necessarily.. As points, dots and space.. Which is an evil wheel tender. Strying Tile tender, bubbler, or hash exam, which is of the Ritalin of time.As stocks of grass, wheat and straw.. We can all get along in salvation. Knight of Holy armour; mythryl.. And Mithryl armour or the shield of Ryous.. Which is ardent Arguing behaviour.. A nest for Honey Bee, and Honey as a golden charm. The cardinal directions seen in space as astronomy/Constellations, and every type of species and the fruit of Eden.. From where we are is where we go.. And the only religion is avoiding bisexuality.. And thus are you limited by definition.. But only in places you don't want to go because they are unsafe or perverted. In anti-social Causm, the bitter ones rule. As guru, and love a tender, of cash and monetary value. Neither Nor regard,toward the fireplace of time, or otherwise Hell! Thus we can know Heaven in meaning and disaster and relate it to Hell, which is limbo.. Of the bisexual libido or stock of straw which is salvation. John Deere.. Uncle going Factory and Tractor. To the highbeams of time, through M-Theory and beyond, we are a Gattling Gun of pride, and that is one of our weapons necessarily! Unicorns are Horseshoes of luck, coming up our ass, as a Donkey, and sub Plied. Return to neibouring Aisles.. Of disintegration.. And dysentery.. Of the real ratios of time which are values. As Ain and A, as Beta and B, and Ain Sof as C, Ain Sof Aur as D(Depth). But only in permutations of lines(1 dimensional) and points/dots (0/1 dimensions). Thought Ghoul tutelage.. In easy going returns. On a call to Teresa Rousou.. In and out of The Mona Lisa of time. In good nutrients, as Fruits of Good and Evil.. Which is The Devil and Good, which is capitalist corporations. Of which we form the documentary necessarily. Thus is a secret truth Real. Viber, Vibrant, Vigor.. All things we have in the present moment.. NOC list Missin impossible, and data tangibles, towards which we gather information. Much like a flock of Canadian Geee go flying in Vs. so that we understand the Scalple of time, in instrument, and Cosby Saxaphone.. Or otherwise tame Tembour, Timber. Timberline Lake of Fire, rooted to a Squirel of time.. Which is Harry in nuts and chestnuts. Eagle like Glare return to the Looking Glass of Alice.. Who knows her North are true! So your stranded in salvation is true, which is like straw or wheat of Bailey jays..


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