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This is my dream project.  Now rip it apart and tell me why it won't work

The Salton Basin is an area of low desert with saline groundwater, available geothermal, wind, and solar power, cheap real estate prices, and abundant sunny days.

In my proposed aquaculture system, saline groundwater would be pumped and fed into a pond system before being directed back to ground.  Excess nitrates would be removed biologically by either mangroves, or (more lucratively) giant kelp.  The remaining nitrates and sunshine would allow for abundant phytoplankton growth, thereby providing a basis for high bio-production within the system.  culture cages could be utilized for shrimp production which would allow for decreased mortality from predation by other denizens of the system.  The primary outputs of the aquaculture system would be shrimp, california halibut(or maybe cortez halibut), and byproducts of kelp.  The primary input costs would be in the intitial construction of the pond and shrimp hatchery faciilties, as well as ongoing equipment maintainence and initial bio-stocking costs.  The energy necessary for running massive pumps 24 hours a day, would be derived from solar and wind primarily,(which are both abundant and reliable in the region) with geothermal production possible at a later time.(also available in the region) Of course, these means of energy production represent another initial equipment expenditure.  This facility could be built in partnership with a university or marine research organization and used as a controlled research facility.  Here is a crude diagram that i drew a couple years ago.(it needs to be updated badly)



what do you guys think? could be done? should be done? will never happen? bad idea?

Edited by ballsalsa (10/30/15 02:22 PM)

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa]
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:okay:

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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your trying to grow halibut and giant kelp in a salt pond in the middle of the desert? no oysters? Idk this sounds more redic than my skyscraper farm dewd.

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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urban aquaponics is the future for certain crops that lend themselves to that production method.  Even then, in places like california, it would be more economical to go vertical in large greenhouses.  However, when it comes to marine life, the ocean cannot sustain the rising demand.  Only through controlled inland marine environments will it be possible to supply things like shrimp and fish in the future

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa]
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Sounds like a plausible idea. You could try and run a feasibility analysis on it to see how much capital it would require and what the expected revenues would be. Most likely it eont be economically feasible without some form of subsidies, but as a research facility it might work.

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: koraks]
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yeah, i wish i knew how to run a feasibility analysis.  I can tell you right off the bat that the initial input costs would be very high.  It would also take years to ramp up to maximum bio-production. Of course, the initial formation of the controlled ecology would be the most interesting research aspect.

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa]
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:bumpthread: for great justice

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa]
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I am not sufficiently competent and educated in that field to know if this is a good or bad idea.

You used big words and drew up something, therefore it must be realistic.


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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: Patlal]
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ARGH! thats the opposite of tearing the idea a new asshole. :crankey: try again!

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa]
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1st problem bud, what is the salinity of the water measuring at, is it habitable for the animals? If you took a flounder and tossed it in something as saline as the dead sea.... lol. Something with too little salt and it will perish too. (from someone who has kept salt water/reef aquariums for yeaaaars)


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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa]
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Ive been talking about aqueduct systems in California for a long time. but again I dont know what the fuck Im talking about.. however in my imagination bringing seawater in and hosting it in the desert somewhere building large reservoirs desalination fish farming rice and blah blah other water barring food source ... seems like a monumental and crazy idea.


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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
ARGH! thats the opposite of tearing the idea a new asshole. :crankey: try again!


It's a good idea :shrug:

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said:
1st problem bud, what is the salinity of the water measuring at, is it habitable for the animals? If you took a flounder and tossed it in something as saline as the dead sea.... lol. Something with too little salt and it will perish too. (from someone who has kept salt water/reef aquariums for yeaaaars)


good point.  thats actually part of the reason for an evap pond.  the initial salinity of the groundwater is somewhat less than the ocean.  the idea would be to evap some water away, and re-add the now higher salinity water to the system.  still,  acclimation ponds of gradually increasing salinity might be necessary for the initial stocking, and perhaps for the shrimp larvae at all times.

Thanks!

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: orison]
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orison319 said:
Ive been talking about aqueduct systems in California for a long time. but again I dont know what the fuck Im talking about.. however in my imagination bringing seawater in and hosting it in the desert somewhere building large reservoirs desalination fish farming rice and blah blah other water barring food source ... seems like a monumental and crazy idea.


true. thats why i chose the salton basin, an area with extant saline groundwater from having been flooded out by the colorado river(pretty salty for fresh water) several times throughout history, and then evaporated. It is also full of agricultural runoff which is part of why it is saline and high in nitrates. Also, keep in mind that in my system no water is desalinated, but rather, simply directed back into the ground from whence it came

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Re: Tear this idea a new asshole [Re: ballsalsa]
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Arcata Marsh in Humboldt County does a similar thing where it takes the excess nutrients from the converging rivers and diverts it through a manmade marsh with ecosystems capable of rebalancing the nutrients from the river runoff. Sounds doable to me but it'd be expensive, especially in the Salton area because its much more south and also inland. It'd be harder for the habitat you established to survive but i wouldn't think its impossible. but i'm not an expert, but i like how you think we need more people thinking like this


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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa]
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Are you doing a "Save the Salton Sea" thing?

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Re: Tear this idea a new asshole [Re: MysticMoteToter]
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i chose the salton basin because of the amazing bioproduction of the salton sea despite having absolutely no stewardship.  Even today, that nasty smelling lake churns out tons of tilapia. 15 years ago, the bottom was paved with 10-30 lb orange mouth corvina (which are delicious btw) at a depth of 10-15 ft.  part of that success was from an accidental introduction of black mollies to the sea where they had a massive population explosion and provided ample food for everything else in the system.  I was there once when the mollies were spawning, and you could have walked across their backs.  anyway, i've always wondered what someone could do if they tried something similar with intent.

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: The Moose]
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The Moose said:
Are you doing a "Save the Salton Sea" thing?


no, i would locate my facility at an elevation greater than that of the sea.
the salton sea is already dead. theres no saving it now

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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ballsalsa]
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way way too much salt... only solution i can see is digging an inlet to the baja


also the main issue with the "sea" is all the fertilizers and what not that is concentrated in there. and well, east/south valley in general.


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Re: Intensive/Extensive marine aquaculture pond(s) [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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also once the algae bloom all the fish suffocate and it is a mess, can smell it for many many miles.


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