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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
the big bang theory originated with a catholic priest


Ya, You'd have to believe in something like god to think you could predict what happened that far back in time. The laws of physics we know didn't exist yet, so our inductive reasoning about what happened back then can't confidently be based on what's happened in our history. Those kind of predictions require a lot of blind speculation, which puts them pretty near the realm of religion.

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Almond Flour] * 1
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If you've ever done even the slightest amount of work on the sabbath, you're just as guilty as gay people.

A sin is a sin, and no one has not sinned by the bibles definition, why are you placing being gay over any other sin that is acceptable by society.

Don't be upset that your religion is evolving but your beliefs on it arent.

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Almond Flour]
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Do you think that in this day in age the Catholic church's membership was at an all time low, so they thought up a way to build up membership again by "reforming" some of their more backwards views?

All organized religion is a political hierarchy based on the distribution of dogma and exploitarion of basic human fears.

The pope is more like the "president" of the Vatican ,  he is more of a politician than a holy man.

-E. Borofin

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Mr.GuessWork said:
Prisoner#1 said:
the big bang theory originated with a catholic priest


Ya, You'd have to believe in something like god to think you could predict what happened that far back in time. The laws of physics we know didn't exist yet, so our inductive reasoning about what happened back then can't confidently be based on what's happened in our history. Those kind of predictions require a lot of blind speculation, which puts them pretty near the realm of religion.


There's something called the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation, its a uniform sheet of background radiation that spans the universe, anyway, if you "rewind" the distribution of this radiation it comes to a finite point....this is the confirmation of the big bang.....


-E. Borodin

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Almond Flour]
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Almond Flour said:
qman said:
The Pope thinks there's no such thing as right or wrong, it's all relative.


Absolute lie.

You folks need to open your history books or do a brief google search over the workings of the Catholic Church.

Even if the pope wanted to give secular society  all of their demands he CANT. He can not come out and say

GAYS ARE NOW IN THE CLEAR! HOMOSEXUALITY IS PRACTICALLY A SHORTCUT TO HEAVEN

Or any other trash you people are holding your breath for. He is still bound to the Churches Tradition.


He's a sellout who's now aligning himself with Satan.

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: qman]
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He is the face of a dying institution desperate for members, not to save souls but to obtain funds.....

-E. Borodin

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
He is the face of a dying institution desperate for members, not to save souls but to obtain funds.....

-E. Borodin


He's proposing that the church buy and operate abortion clinics to make big bucks.

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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You'd think that with the general decline of christianity there'd be a second coming or they'd pull a noahs ark and drown everyone and all the animals straight to hell to start fresh


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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Mr.GuessWork said:
Prisoner#1 said:
the big bang theory originated with a catholic priest


Ya, You'd have to believe in something like god to think you could predict what happened that far back in time. The laws of physics we know didn't exist yet, so our inductive reasoning about what happened back then can't confidently be based on what's happened in our history. Those kind of predictions require a lot of blind speculation, which puts them pretty near the realm of religion.


There's something called the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation, its a uniform sheet of background radiation that spans the universe, anyway, if you "rewind" the distribution of this radiation it comes to a finite point....this is the confirmation of the big bang.....


-E. Borodin


There are lots of big bang type theories that have some support, and they're better than that lame "god just did it" explanation. The trouble is that they're trying to piece together what happened from observation alone. With most of physics you can build repeatable experiments to tease out details in a more reliable way.

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Pope Francis: The 10 Climate Commandments [RAP NEWS 33]






you won't be disappointed.


Terrence moonseed is hilarious!


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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Mr.GuessWork said:
Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Mr.GuessWork said:
Prisoner#1 said:
the big bang theory originated with a catholic priest


Ya, You'd have to believe in something like god to think you could predict what happened that far back in time. The laws of physics we know didn't exist yet, so our inductive reasoning about what happened back then can't confidently be based on what's happened in our history. Those kind of predictions require a lot of blind speculation, which puts them pretty near the realm of religion.


There's something called the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation, its a uniform sheet of background radiation that spans the universe, anyway, if you "rewind" the distribution of this radiation it comes to a finite point....this is the confirmation of the big bang.....


-E. Borodin


There are lots of big bang type theories that have some support, and they're better than that lame "god just did it" explanation. The trouble is that they're trying to piece together what happened from observation alone. With most of physics you can build repeatable experiments to tease out details in a more reliable way.


As for why, yes, we cant say, and I think that the explaination that "for no reason at all all of existance just exploded out of nothing" takes a leap of faith equal to that of any religious claims to accept.

But because of the cosmic microwave background radiation we have confirmation that the big bang occored, or at least that at one point the universe was at a finite point, thus explaining the uniformity of the radiation.

We also know by light spectrum (red shift is moving away from us blue shift is moving towards us; doppler effect) that everything in the universe is moving away from us, the universe is expanding, and if we "rewind" this expantion it again comes to a finite point.

So the evidence presented by the cosmic microwave background radiation as well as the expantion of the universe confirmed by light spectrum (doppler effect; red shift of the galaxy's confirm they are moving away from us and that the universe is expanding) all confirm that at one point the universe was at a point smaller than an atom, and we can keep rewinding until we reach a singularity, so we know that the universe was microscopic (and at a singulairity before this) and has been expanding to its currant size and is still expanding, all these things suggest that the big bang occored....

As for why, who the hell knows, and I guess there is no confirmation that all of existance exploded from nothing for no reason, it only confirms that the universe was incredibly small and has been expanding ever since....

-E. Borodin

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
He is the face of a dying institution desperate for members, not to save souls but to obtain funds.....

-E. Borodin


He's proposing that the church buy and operate abortion clinics to make big bucks.


Sounds like they want attention, organized religion as a whole is slowley becoming obsolete, with the Internet and the spread of information its hard to maintain a cult following for archaic institutions such as the Catholic church.  So in an attempt to maintain relevance and keep people talking and thinking about them, they get a new pope who has been instructed to make these statements and seemingly he is changing the church.

Sounds like people are fed up with having hypocritical preachers pontificating dogma based on the exegesis of the religious experiance, people these days want to have the religious experiance, and you don't need an organized religion to connect to God. You don't need a political hierarchy or a physical building to connect to Christ or your God of choice, its a scam, that's why they ask you for money, and people are more aware than ever that organized religion is a scam, which has caused the church to resort to its currant plots.

-E. Borodin

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well...

...just the fact they we are talking about the pope and the Catholic church speaks to the effectiveness of the ploy, they will keep making statements that seem to be correcting their backwards views gaining media attention and in turn the publics attention  and in some respect I'm sure this new pope and his "reform" of the church has brought a rise in numbers

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: Jobbypot Smith]
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Jobbypot Smith said:
You'd think that with the general decline of christianity there'd be a second coming or they'd pull a noahs ark and drown everyone and all the animals straight to hell to start fresh



What decline in Christianity?


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: lowbrow]
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I got the impression that there are less christians, especially catholics now. It's seems clear that there is a big number of athiests/spiritualists in the new generations also from christian families

Also this talk about declining numbers of catholic church members. I don't know

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/12/christianity-faces-sharp-decline-as-americans-are-becoming-even-less-affiliated-with-religion/


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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: lowbrow]
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx
look specifically at the second chart.
You could say Christianity is declining, but you are dealing with percentages of an increasing population. Still, there is a much larger increase of non-believers over the last couple decades.
There are a couple more organizations out there that capture these statistics (including Christian biased ones) and they all find generally the same thing. This is one of the best organized of those sources, however.


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Re: Pope Francis opens the church door for the big bang and evolution theories. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Patlal said:
Here you have religion going another step ahead of what science hasn't yet discovered and claiming that this unknown is god.

Lightnings used to be god.
The sun used to be god
Diseases used to be god
Anything science hadn't yet discovered used to be god.

Now the Big Bang is god. Simply because we haven't discovered how it happened yet...

At least it's a huge step forward for the Church to admit that science is right


The Big Bang was invented by the Catholics.



:whathesaid: It's amazing how few people realize that the Big Bang theory originated from a member of the clergy. The Catholic Church has agreed with this stuff for decades but people are acting like Pope Francis making a statement about it is big news.


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"I have no way of knowing whether you, who eventually will read this record, like stories or not. If you do not, no doubt you have turned these pages without attention. I confess that I love them. Indeed, it often seems to me that of all the good things in the world, the only ones humanity can claim for itself are stories and music; the rest, mercy, beauty, sleep, clean water and hot food (as the Ascian would have said) are all the work of the Increate. Thus, stories are small things indeed in the scheme of the universe, but it is hard not to love best what is our own—hard for me, at least."

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