Stonehenge said:

DrRedBush said:

He doesn't need a source.

Most scholars agree over 12 million people died 6 million of them Jewish.

What they don't agree on is how many people died in the camps.

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I would say well over 12 mill died in the war. That is not a matter of controversy. What is disputed is how many died in the camps and how many were jews. Simply saying "scholars" agree is just stating the pc position on the subject. They know if they said anything against the accepted story they would be ostracized. In some countries they would be jailed.

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nazis to kill 12 million jews.

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Shins said:

Not really.  They are numbers used for propaganda so that the zionists can have political immunity.


post your sources.  Cite your study.

instead all you do is claim consensus without establishing any facts.  That is not a rational position,  it is a leap of faith.

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twighead said:

I doubt as time goes on it will become any more clear than it is at this time, I can't say whether the numbers are correct -

but I know first hand more people that were in various concentration camps that were liberated by both American and Soviets than I think most can claim, my grandparents adopted several holocaust survivors that were well into their 30s and older, as their entire families were killed. They in turn introduced me to other survivors that they had met over the years. I'm sure people would have the audacity to claim all their stories were bullshit and part of the conspiracy too but everything I've heard from people who were actually there, humans who were in the camps - Soviet documentation - American documentation - stories from my grandfather who was one of the first in his unit to enter a camp... Almost everything cross checks... hundreds upon hundreds of stories from many people who are even still alive to this day. Of course it doesn't touch on the veracity of the numbers, but they most certainly confirm that mass killings were... massive - adopted family who lived in Poland HAD to be adopted because every single person they knew from their communities was missing or confirmed dead.

The only people I've ever heard suggest it was a conspiracy - are surprisingly never nazis/neo-nazis - its always people way flung off in different parts of the globe that had fuck all to do with the events, absolutely no first hand or even second hand knowledge, know no one involved, and for all I know completely pulled it out of their ass.

I do agree however - that as with all events in human history it was politicized and used to the advantage of various groups.

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Shins said:

Sorry, people in general.  Logistically its impossible.  Aside from that, there is a lack of physicak evidence to support it.

its a matter of faith vs. Science.  In this case, proper scientific investigation is considered anti semetic.

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Webster10 said:

My high school american history teacher let it be known to us that it was a complete lie that they attacked first

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