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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: chopstick]
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Very good post, chopstick

chopstick said:
This is a really good article on the subject:

The deal with Iran - A major sign of the Empire's weakness

http://thesaker.is/the-deal-with-iran-a-major-sign-of-the-empires-weakness/


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1) Iranians are very smart, not stupid.  They fully understand that a few nuclear weapons would make absolutely no difference in a war against Israel or the US or anybody else.  If used aggressively, they would trigger a massive response and if used defensively, in response to an attack, they would not be here in the first place, because any attack would begin by a counter-force disarming strike, possibly a nuclear one.  Any putative Iranian nuclear forces lacks both the survivability and flexibility needed to be used or even to deter any attack.
2) Acquiring a military nuclear capability would instantly turn Iran into a pariah state.  We saw the sanctions against Iran against an imaginary nuclear program; you can imagine what they would be against a real one.
3) Iran is uninvadable as a country – it is too big, the terrain too complex, the population too large and, frankly, its armed forces too strong.  Compared to Iran, both Afghanistan and Iraq were easy targets (there is a reason why the US has not even attempted to invade Iran since 1979!).  Iran can, however, be very heavily bombed with missiles and successive airstrikes.  This is not the kind of threat a nuclear capability can deter.  In other words, Iran does not even need nukes.
4) The US intelligence community has admitted that Iran has no military nuclear program.  All they could claim is that Iran had one in the past.  Considering the pressure the US intelligence community was under at the time, this is as exculpatory a report as can be realistically expected.
5) The Iranian spiritual leaders have gone on the record multiple times and most officially declared that nuclear weapons are immoral, un-Islamic and forbidden.  Secularists tend to believe that religious folks are always liars, I tend to believe that they do follow the principles which they believe in.
6) It is most definitely not about anybody wanting to get (or prevent) and “Islamic bomb” as Pakistan already has just that.

So if this not about nukes, what is it?

Simple!

1) It is about not allowing the Islamic Republic of Iran to become a viable, vibrant and prosperous alternative to the Wahabi and Zionist client-states in the region.
2) Is is about showing that even Iran can and will be bullied into submission to the Axis of Kindness.
3) It is about preventing Iran from acquiring its own civilian nuclear research program, which is a source of technology and pride.
4) It is a pretext to impose vicious sanctions on Iran
5) It is a pretext to attack Iran militarily
6) It is about subverting the Iranian society




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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
Dark_Star said:
Funny how the only country that's ever deployed nuclear weapons against an enemy is the one that always talks up the dangers of other countries getting them.



Casualties of both Japanese and US soldiers would have been much higher if no nukes were used.




You have no way of knowing that so don't parrot it as truth.


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
Stonehenge said:
Why don't we put sanctions on isreal until they give up their nukes? Discuss.



Because they are Jews and Jews make up more than 50% of all of America's billionaires?

You gotta think before asking questions like that man.



This is of course massively stupid.

Do the mental defectives think that it is a good thing that more religious zealot psychotics get nuclear weapons?



I'm sure nobdy would give a damm about Israel if not for the money it represent in America. Israel is simply a launch pad for easy access to the Middle East.

What does Israel provide? It has no oil. No resources, it's small, has a small population. It is practically insignificant.

North Korea has the biggest army where every single citizen of the country is brainwashed. Plus they actively threaten to use their nukes on a daily basis. Iran on the other doesn't have nukes. Even if it did, they would be exactly like NK. They could only threaten because using them would be the end of Iran.

Iran might be islamic but they are far from being zealots. They actively want to negociate.

Plus, if you look at Iran's army equiment, the vast majority of their army is comprised of tanks built in the 1960s. They still have active Russian WW2 tanks in their ranks. Iran has 0 chance of winning any war with the equipment they have. Their only strenght is their 550000 soldier army and its 75 million innocent civilians.

Sure it would be another 5 year war. Costly. Useless. It would lead only to more terror groups trying to scrape off some territory after everything has been destabilized.

Nukes or not. Iran is not in any position to gain anythingwith war. Plus, if the shit hits the fan, there is no way the war will be forced on Western territory. It will be fought inside Iran, and maybe a little in the countries surrounding it.

Russia might get pissed. Then again Russia is always pissed. China might take it more personally. Then again, is it worth it for China to declare war on the West because of Iran???


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Patlal]
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Should've kept Saddam in power.

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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Adden]
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TEMPLAR PALADIN said:
Should've kept Saddam in power.



He turned out to be the lesser of the evils but the parasites wanted him out of the way.


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Stonehenge]
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By parasites you mean jews, of course.

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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Stonehenge]
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He did a great job of keeping the region relatively stable, except for gassing a bunch of people.

What a circus that whole thing was. False pretenses to war. Weapons of mass destruction. Virtually everyone supporting the war rescinded their views on it years later when it turned out to be a sham and election time was around the corner.

9/11/01 really started the 21st century off on the wrong foot.

I really wanted to see some changes to the states and world in a positive movement forward in space exploration, robotics, tech/energy/etc. Granted some amazing things have come about, and maybe I'm just getting older but I had a lot more faith that war wouldn't be on the agenda. (Yes I know it's always on someone's).

In not too long, there will be kids driving who have known nothing of the United States except being at war their entire lives. I remember being in school as a kid being glad the Gulf War was "over".

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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
Stonehenge said:
Why don't we put sanctions on isreal until they give up their nukes? Discuss.



Because they are Jews and Jews make up more than 50% of all of America's billionaires?

You gotta think before asking questions like that man.



This is of course massively stupid.

Do the mental defectives think that it is a good thing that more religious zealot psychotics get nuclear weapons?



I'm sure nobdy would give a damm about Israel if not for the money it represent in America. Israel is simply a launch pad for easy access to the Middle East.



Israel does not represent a significant amount of money in the US.  But yes, it is our eyes and ears in that shithole of Muslim fucktards.
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What does Israel provide? It has no oil. No resources, it's small, has a small population. It is practically insignificant.



I do believe I have been making that point to the Nazis here.  Leave them the fuck alone.
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North Korea has the biggest army where every single citizen of the country is brainwashed. Plus they actively threaten to use their nukes on a daily basis. Iran on the other doesn't have nukes. Even if it did, they would be exactly like NK. They could only threaten because using them would be the end of Iran.



North Korea is China's puppy. 
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Iran might be islamic but they are far from being zealots. They actively want to negociate.



They most certainly are zealots and they want to negotiate with a retard.  Which is what they got
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Plus, if you look at Iran's army equiment, the vast majority of their army is comprised of tanks built in the 1960s. They still have active Russian WW2 tanks in their ranks. Iran has 0 chance of winning any war with the equipment they have. Their only strenght is their 550000 soldier army and its 75 million innocent civilians.

Sure it would be another 5 year war. Costly. Useless. It would lead only to more terror groups trying to scrape off some territory after everything has been destabilized.

Nukes or not. Iran is not in any position to gain anythingwith war. Plus, if the shit hits the fan, there is no way the war will be forced on Western territory. It will be fought inside Iran, and maybe a little in the countries surrounding it.

Russia might get pissed. Then again Russia is always pissed. China might take it more personally. Then again, is it worth it for China to declare war on the West because of Iran???



This is the singlest stupidest thing any Canadian has ever said ever.


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Stupid or not, you know I'm 100% right


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Stupid or not, you know I'm 100% right



It wouldn't be stupid if you were 100% right.

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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Adden]
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Very well.

Tell me. What does Iran have to gain by nuking someone?


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Patlal]
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Uniting the Middle East, sectarian or not, against the infidels using any and all means necessary..?

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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Adden]
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They will never get the arab states to align with them. That is the west's strategy, divide and conquer. The idea is to keep iran weak so that it can be invaded and resettled.


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: setb]
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setb said:
By parasites you mean jews, of course.



Keep pulling the jew card.... Same as the "the cop arrested me because I'm black" No the cop arrested you because you mugging people. And no, people dont hate the jews, the hate the shitty agenda that has turned into an ethnic cleanse in the area.

On top of that israel has gotten very cocky over the years, one of their leaders (should be easy to google) stated to his colleagues "do not worry about what the Americans think, the jewish people own america" Call me radical but that mother fucker can suck my fat goyem dick. Would have cut off foreign aid right then and there, talk shit lets see how you do without the US.


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Adden]
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TEMPLAR PALADIN said:
Uniting the Middle East, sectarian or not, against the infidels using any and all means necessary..?



Like I said. Iran is in no position to win a war, with or without nukes.

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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Patlal]
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Lets see, n korea has nukes and is aggressive, has threatened to use them, is not muslim. Isreal cares nothing about n korea and we do nothing about them. Iran has no nukes, has not threatened to make or use nukes but is muslim, isreal doesn't like them and usa has used all its remaining power and influence to hurt them. Could it be a coincidence?

Afghanistan - muslim and we invaded. Iraq, same story, iran same story, except we haven't invaded yet. They can fight back don't forget.


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Stonehenge]
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The Middle East will always sell oil and the world will buy it, the rest of it is nonsense.

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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: Mescalean]
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They absolutely do hate jews, jews have been victim of hatred for centuries. You're getting pretty defensive there buddy, am I hitting a nerve?

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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: setb]
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setb said:
They absolutely do hate jews, jews have been victim of hatred for centuries. You're getting pretty defensive there buddy, am I hitting a nerve?



So have many other races. And not really, its just an annoying cop out most Zionists use when they can no long back up their argument with logic and reason. Personally I could care less what imaginary man in the sky anyone believes in. It's all equally retarded to me. I have a problem with A group of people completely fucking an indigenous people out of their home because they got fucked over a couple years earlier, carpet bombing is never a pretty thing.

I just have issues with the zionist agenda and the attitudes of the zionists themselves. Self centered to say the least.


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Re: Is the iran deal good or should we bomb them anyway? [Re: setb]
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setb said:
By parasites you mean jews, of course.



Israelites*

Also no racism / hate speech in the Pub, man. Take it to OTD. It makes your posts and general character as a person morally suspect.

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