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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Shroom Detective]
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starfire_xes said:
Really, who even gives a fuck about whether or not Fal deleted his signature?  It's probable the least remarkable event that has occurred in this forum for several months.


Do you see that SD?  Even 'your own' side is against your ridiculousness.

Thanks starfire (and Enlil, who is NOT liberal).  :thumbup:  Back to the topic:

The ideas so far for helping struggling Americans are:

1.  Increase minimum wage
2.  Strengthen labor unions
3.  Do nothing since they're better off than the poor in other countries and "what's wrong with struggling?"


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
starfire_xes said:
Really, who even gives a fuck about whether or not Fal deleted his signature?  It's probable the least remarkable event that has occurred in this forum for several months.


Do you see that SD?  Even 'your own' side is against your ridiculousness.

Thanks starfire (and Enlil, who is NOT liberal).  :thumbup:  Back to the topic:

The ideas so far for helping struggling Americans are:

1.  Increase minimum wage
2.  Strengthen labor unions
3.  Do nothing since they're better off than the poor in other countries and "what's wrong with struggling?"


You acknowledged increasing minimum wage will cost jobs.
The labor unions are not necessary and have destroyed American competitiveness
So somebody struggles.  I have a lot less problem with people struggling than I do with people giving up and accepting your charity with other people's money.  And maybe they would stop having children they cannot afford.

Sellers cannot "set" prices.  They can ask for them.  They no more "set" prices than the customer does.  When a vendor sells to Wal-Mart which company "sets" the price?


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
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The best way to help struggling Americans is to deflate the labor supply by kicking out the border jumping scum.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
You acknowledged increasing minimum wage will cost jobs.


Historically, we've seen that only a very small number of young workers are effected by minimum wage increases, and only temporarily.  Well worth millions of people being better off in my opinion.

zappaisgod said:
The labor unions are not necessary and have destroyed American competitiveness


Tell us which automaker has "destroyed American competitiveness" without a union?  :popcorn:

zappaisgod said:
So somebody struggles.  I have a lot less problem with people struggling than I do with people giving up and accepting your charity with other people's money.


That's your opinion.  I have a problem with corporations making record profits and not paying their workers shit.

zappaisgod said:
Sellers cannot "set" prices.  They can ask for them.  They no more "set" prices than the customer does.  When a vendor sells to Wal-Mart which company "sets" the price?


As I stated from the beginning, it's all about the supply/demand curve.  Stop with the straw man arguments.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
The best way to help struggling Americans is to deflate the labor supply by kicking out the border jumping scum.


Help struggling Americans by raising the price of produce?  Interesting idea.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
You acknowledged increasing minimum wage will cost jobs.


Historically, we've seen that only a very small number of young workers are effected by minimum wage increases, and only temporarily.  Well worth millions of people being better off in my opinion.


This is the problem with Kollktiffists.  They completely fuck the few for shit benefits to the many.  Has it occurred to you that automation will rise when monkey labor costs rise?
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zappaisgod said:
The labor unions are not necessary and have destroyed American competitiveness


Tell us which automaker has "destroyed American competitiveness" without a union?  :popcorn:


What?  The UAW ruined the American auto industry to the point that they needed a several billion dollar gift from the taxpayer to stay alive.  I do not know what the union situation is in other countries but I doubt they are as stupid as the UAW by realizing that killing the host is not conducive to the parasite.  How's the American steel industry doing these days?  Tell me about the state of American education system
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zappaisgod said:
So somebody struggles.  I have a lot less problem with people struggling than I do with people giving up and accepting your charity with other people's money.


That's your opinion.  I have a problem with corporations making record profits and not paying their workers shit.


So make your own company and get in the game.  I did.  Struggled for a while, too.
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zappaisgod said:
Sellers cannot "set" prices.  They can ask for them.  They no more "set" prices than the customer does.  When a vendor sells to Wal-Mart which company "sets" the price?


As I stated from the beginning, it's all about the supply/demand curve.  Stop with the straw man arguments.


There is no straw man argument.  You said the seller "sets" the price.  No one party "sets" the price.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
zappaisgod said:
The best way to help struggling Americans is to deflate the labor supply by kicking out the border jumping scum.


Help struggling Americans by raising the price of produce?  Interesting idea.


:lolsy:  Several million more American people with jobs and even more with increased wages because of wage pressure.  Do you have even the slightest clue about supply and demand?  Look at your own industry.  Millions of excess lawyers and now the law is no longer the guaranteed path to at least middle class that it was when I was going to school.  Excess labor pool depresses wages.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
The best way to help struggling Americans is to deflate the labor supply by kicking out the border jumping scum.


what happens when you lose 20 million consumers overnight?


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Has it occurred to you that automation will rise when monkey labor costs rise?


We've been hearing that since the early 1900s.  :yawn:

zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Tell us which automaker has "destroyed American competitiveness" without a union?  :popcorn:


What?  The UAW ruined the American auto industry to the point that they needed a several billion dollar gift from the taxpayer to stay alive.  I do not know what the union situation is in other countries


So you don't know.

zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
As I stated from the beginning, it's all about the supply/demand curve.  Stop with the straw man arguments.


There is no straw man argument.  You said the seller "sets" the price.  No one party "sets" the price.


For the last time, I said "businesses set pricing based on the supply/demand curve."

If the only way for you to "win" an argument is to make things up or quibble, then you're not worth arguing with.  :shake:


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
zappaisgod said:
The best way to help struggling Americans is to deflate the labor supply by kicking out the border jumping scum.


what happens when you lose 20 million consumers overnight?


Consumers?  They don't buy shit and send billions to foreign countries.  They also don't pay anywhere near enough taxes to amount to squat even with the ones who stole identities.  You live in a fantasy world.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Has it occurred to you that automation will rise when monkey labor costs rise?


We've been hearing that since the early 1900s.  :yawn:


You do know that it has happened, right?  Ever go to the supermarket and see a self checkout lane?
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zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Tell us which automaker has "destroyed American competitiveness" without a union?  :popcorn:


What?  The UAW ruined the American auto industry to the point that they needed a several billion dollar gift from the taxpayer to stay alive.  I do not know what the union situation is in other countries


So you don't know.


Do you know what the union autoworker situation is in South Korea?  If so link it.
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zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
As I stated from the beginning, it's all about the supply/demand curve.  Stop with the straw man arguments.


There is no straw man argument.  You said the seller "sets" the price.  No one party "sets" the price.


For the last time, I said "businesses set pricing based on the supply/demand curve."

If the only way for you to "win" an argument is to make things up or quibble, then you're not worth arguing with.  :shake:


Words.  Learn them.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
We've been hearing that since the early 1900s.  :yawn:


You do know that it has happened, right?  Ever go to the supermarket and see a self checkout lane?


Now there's more (better paying) jobs for the people who create the self check out machines.

zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So you don't know.


Do you know what the union autoworker situation is in South Korea?  If so link it.


That's a very general question.  Strong unions, and very rapid market share growth.  :shrug:

zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
For the last time, I said "businesses set pricing based on the supply/demand curve."
If the only way for you to "win" an argument is to make things up or quibble, then you're not worth arguing with.  :shake:


Words.  Learn them.


I know them.  Please learn not to omit them when quoting what I actually said.  :mad:


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
They don't buy shit


Learn.
"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce."

zappaisgod said:
They also don't pay anywhere near enough taxes to amount to squat even with the ones who stole identities.  You live in a fantasy world.


Learn.
"Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use."


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
You do know that it has happened, right?  Ever go to the supermarket and see a self checkout lane?


Now there's more (better paying) jobs for the people who create the self check out machines.


Is this a satire post?  For one thing it is absurd that that is as many jobs and for another it is that they just put a whole bunch of losers on the dole
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zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So you don't know.


Do you know what the union autoworker situation is in South Korea?  If so link it.


That's a very general question.  Strong unions, and very rapid market share growth.  :shrug:


Is Hyundai America union?  Nope.  Your link.

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Importantly, during our eight-year manufacturing history in the U.S., our team members have never shown an interest in union representation.



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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
The Ecstatic said:
zappaisgod said:
The best way to help struggling Americans is to deflate the labor supply by kicking out the border jumping scum.


what happens when you lose 20 million consumers overnight?


Consumers?  They don't buy shit and send billions to foreign countries.  They also don't pay anywhere near enough taxes to amount to squat even with the ones who stole identities.  You live in a fantasy world.


:thumbup:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
They don't buy shit


Learn.
"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce."


:lolsy:  Your link

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In 2013, the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation released a study concluding that at the current time, the average unlawful immigrant household has a net deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $14,387 per household. During the interim phase immediately after amnesty, tax payments would increase more than government benefits, and the average fiscal deficit for former unlawful immigrant households would fall to $11,455. At the end of the interim period, unlawful immigrants would become eligible for means-tested welfare and medical subsidies under Obamacare. Average benefits would rise to $43,900 per household; tax payments would remain around $16,000; the average fiscal deficit (benefits minus taxes) would be about $28,000 per household. Amnesty would also raise retirement costs by making unlawful immigrants eligible for Social Security and Medicare, resulting in a net fiscal deficit of around $22,700 per retired amnesty recipient per year.[20]


And

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Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year. The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer. An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[22]


In case you missed it.

An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms.



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zappaisgod said:
They also don't pay anywhere near enough taxes to amount to squat even with the ones who stole identities.  You live in a fantasy world.


Learn.
"Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use."


Your link

Quote:
While a small percentage of native-born Americans may be harmed by immigration, vastly more Americans benefit from the contributions that immigrants make to our economy, including lower consumer prices.”


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Although Harvard economist Jorge Borjas has stated that illegal immigrants from 1980-2000 have reduced the wages of high school dropouts in the U.S,



Nice Op Ed from H.A Goodman
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/im-a-liberal-democrat-im_b_6169542.html

The illegals work in low wage jobs.  The bottom 50% of wage earners n the US do not come close to paying for the cost of the services they use.  Further there is the entire huge underground economy of jobs where cash is paid and no income at all is reported. 

The economic benefit your article cites is to employers, not to taxpayers and not to American workers.  Why do you hate American workers?  I know you hate American taxpayers because you want to fuck them at every turn.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Now there's more (better paying) jobs for the people who create the self check out machines.


Is this a satire post?  For one thing it is absurd that that is as many jobs and for another it is that they just put a whole bunch of losers on the dole


Automation has been replacing workers for the past 100 years, and it's had no impact on long term unemployment trends:

Quit fighting to stay in the stone age.

zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Strong unions, and very rapid market share growth.  :shrug:


Is Hyundai America union?  Nope.


Is Hyundai an American company?  Nope.  But they have very strong unions.  Stop quibbling.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Now there's more (better paying) jobs for the people who create the self check out machines.


Is this a satire post?  For one thing it is absurd that that is as many jobs and for another it is that they just put a whole bunch of losers on the dole


Automation has been replacing workers for the past 100 years, and it's had no impact on long term unemployment trends:

Quit fighting to stay in the stone age.


I'm just telling you you are going to price your retard friends out of work.  A Micky Ds fry cook is not going to become a machinist on a robot assembly line or a designer of robots.  For every robot maker job a thousand retard jobs will be lost.  What are you gonna do with the retards then?  All because of your artificial manipulation of wages. 
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zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Strong unions, and very rapid market share growth.  :shrug:


Is Hyundai America union?  Nope.


Is Hyundai an American company?  Nope.  But they have very strong unions.  Stop quibbling.


Hyundai America is the site you linked and they are not union.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Nice attempt to totally change the topic!  Let's follow the dialogue:

zappaisgod:  "The best way to help struggling Americans is to deflate the labor supply by kicking out the border jumping scum."

The Ecstatic:  "what happens when you lose 20 million consumers overnight?"

zappaisgod:  "They don't buy shit"

Falcon91Wolvrn03:  "Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce."


What does any of that have to do with your rebuttal about amnesty costing money?  STAY ON TOPIC!


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