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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil]
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Again, I think most of your concerns were discussed beginning here.  :shrug:


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I think they were hardly discussed and certainly not adequately addressed.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil]
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What question was unanswered?  I'm not going to draft the actual legislation.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Lots of questions, but I'd like to start with these basic two:


1. How do we determine what is and isn't political speech?
2. How do we determine what is spending for political speech?


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil]
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3.  Who decides what is political speech?
4.  Who decides who is allowed political speech.

These are both huge to me.  I would prefer that all political speech be shutdown than grant the NY Times a monopoly on it


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Lots of questions, but I'd like to start with these basic two:


1. How do we determine what is and isn't political speech?
2. How do we determine what is spending for political speech?


Covered in the first post I linked to.  :shrug:


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Enlil said:
Lots of questions, but I'd like to start with these basic two:


1. How do we determine what is and isn't political speech?
2. How do we determine what is spending for political speech?


Covered in the first post I linked to.  :shrug:


Oh so you have no words of your own?  Which particular fascist post was that?


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Covered in the first post I linked to.  :shrug:


Actually, no...they weren't.  Maybe you should actually read the post you linked.  It doesn't provide any insight to how we determine what is and isn't political speech or what is spending for political speech.

I fully understand if you don't want to answer these questions.  They're hard questions to answer, and the campaign reform zealots seem to only be able to come up with an "I know it when I see it" kind of answer.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil]
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A definition of obscenity that is itself an obscenity.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod]
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Enlil, you fail to understand that FailCom, along with most progressives, are actually tuned into the 'New Class' type of society in which a huge, bloated government and its associates and elite leaders control everything and everyone that isn't a member of the new class.  They have the best pay, benefits, etc, and dole out the Free Stuff to keep the lower classes on their hind legs slobbering for more scraps.

This was the system that Russia was, and from the way Progressives around here fawn and swoon over the government and expanding it and taxing others, it is the way progressives desire the US to be.  It has great benefit for members of the Government class, and everyone else sucks wind.

The theory of it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
Enlil, you fail to understand that FailCom, along with most progressives, are actually tuned into the 'New Class' type of society in which a huge, bloated government and its associates and elite leaders control everything and everyone that isn't a member of the new class.  They have the best pay, benefits, etc, and dole out the Free Stuff to keep the lower classes on their hind legs slobbering for more scraps.

This was the system that Russia was, and from the way Progressives around here fawn and swoon over the government and expanding it and taxing others, it is the way progressives desire the US to be.  It has great benefit for members of the Government class, and everyone else sucks wind.

The theory of it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class


What the fuck?

:rofl2::rofl::lolsy:

bullshit, that's not even close.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
Enlil, you fail to understand that FailCom, along with most progressives, are actually tuned into the 'New Class' type of society in which a huge, bloated government and its associates and elite leaders control everything and everyone that isn't a member of the new class.  They have the best pay, benefits, etc, and dole out the Free Stuff to keep the lower classes on their hind legs slobbering for more scraps.

The theory of it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class


You just defined Reaganomics aka trickle down economics to the T


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Citizen X]
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Citizen X said:
starfire_xes said:
Enlil, you fail to understand that FailCom, along with most progressives, are actually tuned into the 'New Class' type of society in which a huge, bloated government and its associates and elite leaders control everything and everyone that isn't a member of the new class.  They have the best pay, benefits, etc, and dole out the Free Stuff to keep the lower classes on their hind legs slobbering for more scraps.

The theory of it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class


You just defined Reaganomics aka trickle down economics to the T



actually that defines the old communist Russia to a T.  That's the origin of the 'New Class.'  You can't tell me Reagan was for a bloated big controlling government.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
Oh so you have no words of your own?  Which particular fascist post was that?


The link I provided WAS to my own words.  :facepalm3:


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Enlil said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Enlil said:
1. How do we determine what is and isn't political speech?
2. How do we determine what is spending for political speech?


Covered in the first post I linked to.  :shrug:


Actually, no...they weren't.  Maybe you should actually read the post you linked.  It doesn't provide any insight to how we determine what is and isn't political speech or what is spending for political speech.


Yes, it did.  Political speech is pretty much any speech that includes politics.  I have no concerns about political speech, except I believe there should be a limit to how much any one person can spend to push their views onto others.  I gave lots of examples for you of what I felt is ok and what is not ok and why.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Citizen X] * 1
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Citizen X said:
What the fuck?

:rofl2::rofl::lolsy:

bullshit, that's not even close.


No, it's not close at all.  starfire_xes and zappaisgod like to make things up about the other side so they can knock them down their own falsehoods, or at least provide a distraction from a losing argument.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
Citizen X said:
starfire_xes said:
Enlil, you fail to understand that FailCom, along with most progressives, are actually tuned into the 'New Class' type of society in which a huge, bloated government and its associates and elite leaders control everything and everyone that isn't a member of the new class.  They have the best pay, benefits, etc, and dole out the Free Stuff to keep the lower classes on their hind legs slobbering for more scraps.

The theory of it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class


You just defined Reaganomics aka trickle down economics to the T



actually that defines the old communist Russia to a T.  That's the origin of the 'New Class.'  You can't tell me Reagan was for a bloated big controlling government.


You can words like "new class" and "free stuff" but at the end of the day what you just described was trickle down.

Let me be perfectly clear on this, whether Reagan said he was for big bloated controlling gov't or not, that's exactly what you got.

Let actions be the deciding factor in this argument.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
Citizen X said:
starfire_xes said:
Enlil, you fail to understand that FailCom, along with most progressives, are actually tuned into the 'New Class' type of society in which a huge, bloated government and its associates and elite leaders control everything and everyone that isn't a member of the new class.  They have the best pay, benefits, etc, and dole out the Free Stuff to keep the lower classes on their hind legs slobbering for more scraps.

The theory of it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class


You just defined Reaganomics aka trickle down economics to the T



actually that defines the old communist Russia to a T.  That's the origin of the 'New Class.'  You can't tell me Reagan was for a bloated big controlling government.


Well, if he grew the size of gov't doesn't that make it true? If you say it isn't true, what did he do to make gov't less controlling?


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:


actually that defines the old communist Russia to a T.  That's the origin of the 'New Class.'  You can't tell me Reagan was for a bloated big controlling government.


Well, if he grew the size of gov't doesn't that make it true? If you say it isn't true, what did he do to make gov't less controlling?


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Yes, it did.  Political speech is pretty much any speech that includes politics.  I have no concerns about political speech, except I believe there should be a limit to how much any one person can spend to push their views onto others.  I gave lots of examples for you of what I felt is ok and what is not ok and why.


Examples don't answer the question....unless you're suggesting that we define political speech by what YOU say is and isn't political speech.

If you can't articulate an objective test to determine what is and isn't political speech, then just say so.  There's no shame in that.  I know I wouldn't be able to.


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