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Osker246
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Double Dipped Acid?
#2073229 - 11/05/03 12:49 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yesterday I had taken some acid which was great. But the friend I bought it from said it was "Double Dipped". I started thinking about this and wondered how it could possibly be dipped again since the blotter absorbs as much as it can the first time. I talked to my friend again today about it and he told me that the acid is first dipped and after the first time, twice as much LSD is thrown in the container and dipped again? Is that true? I would like to solve this matter since its been bugging me for some reason and I also for some reason don't believe what my friend says. If somebody with the knowledge about this could reply I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: Osker246]
#2073258 - 11/05/03 12:57 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Supposedly it's rarely ever done since it's a way of time/effort, and it's more of a sales pitch. I wouldn't put any value in it.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: Twirling]
#2073272 - 11/05/03 01:01 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont know about that logic. Take a piece of absorbant paper, put it in water. Take it out and dip it again. It makes no sense to me that it would then absorb twice as much water. I think its a marketing thing for people who dont understand basic physics. Of course maybe it is I who does not understand, it just makes sense to me that its a trying to get more money thing.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: TheCow]
#2073294 - 11/05/03 01:08 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Double Dipped acid as far as I know is just a myth. However a drop of acid can be consideralby stronger from one batch than that of another. So instead of saying "more potent" acid..they can just say "double dipped"
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: Osker246]
#2073307 - 11/05/03 01:11 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Osker246 said: since the blotter absorbs as much as it can the first time
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he told me that the acid is first dipped and after the first time, twice as much LSD is thrown in the container and dipped again
possible, but doesn't make sense, why not put twice as much in the first time? Sounds like a sales pitch to me, I believe Chinacat said that double dipping is just a sales pitch, it's only dipped once...and chinacat knows his stuff
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: ]
#2073703 - 11/05/03 02:58 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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hehe, im pretty sure double dip is a trick for dealers to sell more...the two times someone sold me ?double dipped? blotters, they didnt even work
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: Grapefruity]
#2073755 - 11/05/03 03:18 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I humored the last guy who was selling double-dipped acid because I somewhat trust him, and he was just telling me what his dealer told him. It was pretty weak, took 4 hits to blast me off this planet.. and they were $10/ea. stale...
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: ]
#2073935 - 11/05/03 04:27 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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HOw bout double dropped sugar cubes. Makes sense if someone is makin there own cubes from a vile of liquid.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: orizon]
#2073968 - 11/05/03 04:37 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd say like 5 or 6 years back, this one girl was selling "tripled dipped rainbow hits." I was like whatever, dipped once, twice, three times doesn't really matter. So I bought 10 hits off her for $80.
I don't know if this particular acid was stronger then acid I previously tried, but I tripped harder then I had ever tripped before on blotter. My brother, who is 9 years older then I and has tripped on acid at least 200 time more then me even admitted it was the strongest acid he had dosed on. It was like taking 2 hits of a really good strong acid. I was high for a soild 12 hours and the effects didn't completly ware off for another 6 more hours.
I'm not saying that triple dipping made it stronger... perhaps it wasn't even triple dipped... All I do know is I wish I could find the source of that acid and buy books of it. Anyhow, that's my story on "multiple dipped" acid.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: djd586]
#2074030 - 11/05/03 04:52 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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It dosn't matter how many times the blotter was dipped as stated before once dipped for the first time it absorbs all the liquid it can hold and dipping it again won't do anything. You could double the amount of crystals in the solution that you dip your blotter in to make it twice as strong, but I believe normal size blotter can't hold much more than 500 mics no matter how concentrate the solution is.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: John]
#2074068 - 11/05/03 05:01 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes there is such a thing as a saturation point, double-triple dipped is just a marketing gimmick. ill double dip joor mutha though
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: Osker246]
#2074088 - 11/05/03 05:06 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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My cousin used to push TONS of LSD back in late 80's early 90's and he told me he used to get it double dipped sometmes. Im sure some people do it.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: Osker246]
#2074642 - 11/05/03 07:38 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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As stated above double and triple dipped blotter is a complete sale pitch. The term was invented it in the 80's on Dead tour as a sales pitch to make the sellers acid seam more potent. Dipping again would be pointless. People who lay blotter don't dip the blotter more than once. If an increase in potency is desired then the original dipping solution is made stronger. Example. Say I wanted to make doses that were twice as strong as usual. I would put 2 grams of crystal in 110ML. of everclear instead of 1. If my LSD was 90 percent pure this would give me doses around 180mcg. instead of 90mcg. Very rarely was potency doubled though. If prices were good and we wanted to put out some dank paper we might use 1.25 grams to lay 10 tenpacks(10,000 doses). Or we would only pull 8 or 9 ten packs out of a gram by lowering the amount of everclear to 90ml. Both these methods work for making the hits stronger. To adjust potency of blotter you always adjust the potency of the solution it is dipped in. Nobody ever dips it a second time. This is fact. I feel bad because this was a rumor created in the Dead community to help move certian kinds of paper. In my younger days when I sold sheets on the lot I probably used this sales pitch also. It was wrong ,but seemed harmless at the time. In the Dead family its a big joke now. "Like man make sure you double dip that shit." In the old days on tour there would sometimes be 10-20 different kinds of paper around. So this created competition between tour kids to move their paper. You wanted to make it sound like the paper you were slinging was the best and most potent. Alot of times it was from the same batch.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: chinacat72]
#2075022 - 11/05/03 09:07 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I remember someone at MagFest this year telling me about some supposedly double-dipped blotter. The story was that the guy layed the blotter and put it up and forgot about it for a few months. When he found it he decided to lay it again. At the time, even, I thought that sounded really stupid. What kind of guy lays a book of cid and then loses it for half a year. Now that I've been doing some reading on the subject I know that it wouldn't happen.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: chinacat72]
#2075084 - 11/05/03 09:23 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I dipped a sheet and then I let it dry, couldnt I then re-soak it and therefor add more LSD? I mean yeah of course you couldnt double dip it while it's still wet... Edit: Yes I understand what you said about how if someone wanted to make a potent batch they would just add more crystal in the first place. You wouldnt want to do twice the work.
Edited by OctopusDr (11/05/03 09:25 PM)
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: OctopusDr]
#2075128 - 11/05/03 09:34 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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think of a sponge. dip the sponge in LSD mixture, and let it dry. now, all the lsd that is going to fit in the sponge is already in there. dipping the sponge in acid again would do nothing but wet the sponge again. pretty easy concept.
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No thats wrong. Edit: Haha
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: OctopusDr]
#2075148 - 11/05/03 09:38 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is what I was thinking. If you take a rag or something and dip it in salt water, let dry and repeat evenlualy you would have a rag encrusted with salt. I would think the same priciple could apply to acid. Ever seen all the shit that builds up on swampcooler medium?
The reason they would dothis? Who knows maybe so they can get several strengths from one huge batch of solution.
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joeshitragpicker said: think of a sponge. dip the sponge in LSD mixture, and let it dry. now, all the lsd that is going to fit in the sponge is already in there. dipping the sponge in acid again would do nothing but wet the sponge again. pretty easy concept.
so the cid would magically separate from the alcohol as it is absorbed by the sponge the second time. Wow.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: OctopusDr]
#2075195 - 11/05/03 09:53 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Make an effort to explain yourself if you believe im wrong. Your argument is that once the blotter dries, it somehow makes more room for LSD, and that by dipping it again, you would have twice as much L on the paper. I believe this to be false. Once the blotter has been dipped, the paper is holding the most it can.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075209 - 11/05/03 09:56 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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joeshitragpicker said: think of a sponge. dip the sponge in LSD mixture, and let it dry. now, all the lsd that is going to fit in the sponge is already in there. dipping the sponge in acid again would do nothing but wet the sponge again. pretty easy concept.
so the cid would magically separate from the alcohol as it is absorbed by the sponge the second time. Wow.
ok, you totally misunderstood my point. by saying it would do nothing but wet the sponge again, I mean wet it with the L mixture. not Seperate the L from the alcohol itself.
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so now it is wet again and hung to dry. where4 does the L go?
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075231 - 11/05/03 10:01 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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The same amount of L is there that was there to begin with. It doesnt go anywhere. Dipping twice does nothing. Chinacat has posted this many many times.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: chinacat72]
#2075238 - 11/05/03 10:03 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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chinacat72 said: To adjust potency of blotter you always adjust the potency of the solution it is dipped in. Nobody ever dips it a second time. This is fact.
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You make no sense.
How long does it tale for L to disolve in the alcohol? As long as the second dip was shorter than that amount of time there would be no way for the first l residue to be remove or reincorperated before the paper is wetted and hung. so unless the L somehow was not part of what wetted the paper the second time (magicaly seperated) there would be more L on the paper now.
You didn't address my example of a cloth and salt water. Are you saying that the exaple is incorrect or that is does not apply? And if so please explain.
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chinacat72 said: To adjust potency of blotter you always adjust the potency of the solution it is dipped in. Nobody ever dips it a second time. This is fact.
Oh well then if chinacat says so then it must be. China's comment implies that it is not done because it is not efficient. Actually it does not address why it isn't done, only states the preferred method. It in no way says that it is not possible. Do you tend to read things into what is said? P.S>
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075321 - 11/05/03 10:23 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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mntlfngrs said: You make no sense.
How long does it tale for L to disolve in the alcohol? As long as the second dip was shorter than that amount of time there would be no way for the first l residue to be remove or reincorperated before the paper is wetted and hung. so unless the L somehow was not part of what wetted the paper the second time (magicaly seperated) there would be more L on the paper now.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! I never said the L was seperated! The blotter is SATURATED in the L mixture, and then dried. This means that, unless the L is somehow removed when drying, there is no way to put more LSD on the blotter. Its alread SATURATED in the mixture saturation means it is completely soaked and has permeatd every possible pore. If I dip a rag in a salt mixture and I completely soak it and let it dry, isnt that the most salt the rag will hold from the origianl salt mixture? Why would the rag suddenly have more room and surface area to hold more salt?
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075323 - 11/05/03 10:23 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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the reason you can dip a sheet, and get even dosing is because the blotter paper reaches a maximum saturation, whereafter it will not do any good to try to add more. saying that double dipping a sheet increases potency is like saying that holding the in solution for 10 seconds longer increases potency...it absorbs what it absorbs, thats that. you want double dipped, do it with sugar cubes.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: angryjslice]
#2075330 - 11/05/03 10:26 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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angryjslice said: the reason you can dip a sheet, and get even dosing is because the blotter paper reaches a maximum saturation, whereafter it will not do any good to try to add more. saying that double dipping a sheet increases potency is like saying that holding the in solution for 10 seconds longer increases potency...it absorbs what it absorbs, thats that. you want double dipped, do it with sugar cubes. ~JSlice~
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Then by that logic it would do no good to increase the L concentration in the single dip because the paper could not hold it. talk about logic.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075360 - 11/05/03 10:36 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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nope that is wrong also, blotter paper absorbs liquid, not the chemical in the liquid. thats why you dont just leave your blotter out on the coffee table, shit evaporates off and takes the goodness with it and you end up with 'stale' or weak acid. blotter may seem dry, but its a little damp believe me. i used to sell alot of acid a few years back, and when people asked me if i wanted double dipped i would say 'no, you can just give me twice as many sheets' haha fuckers...it has nothing to do with logic...its a proven fact.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075366 - 11/05/03 10:39 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok, im done with this conversation.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: angryjslice]
#2075400 - 11/05/03 10:46 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've sold it to and that proves nothing. How can blotter absord a liquid and not at the same time absorb a chemical disolved in that liquid. And the reason you don't leave it out is because light and air damage the L. Not because it evaporates. Geez.
No one so far has proven anything in this thread.
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joeshitragpicker said: ok, im done with this conversation.
Come back when you can logically prove it. All I'm saying is that noone has made a good arguement as to why it is impossible. So and so said is not a valid arguement. Try a scientific source or something.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075446 - 11/05/03 11:00 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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heh this has become interesting. I get what you guys are trying to say. Excuse me im not at all drug smart about LSD. But since blotter can only hold so much like said before. Why don't chemist just dip blotter that can hold more than 500 mics?. Since people are always looking for more potent LSD. They could just mark up the price and make more profit couldn't they?? You would think that LSD chemist could make batches without any problem. So I don't see why they don't make a variety of blotter holding different amounts.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: Osker246]
#2075521 - 11/05/03 11:22 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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they could change the grade of blotter they use, or just decrease the amount of solution they put a gram into. and mntl, when i said blotter absorbs the liquid, not just the chemical, i meant just that. blotter paper is holding lsd that is in solution of everclear. the blotter absorbs the everclear which contains the lsd. the blotter is fully saturated with liquid. if you dip it again, no more liquid goes in, so no more lsd goes in. thats because theres saturation. if you come up with some infinite sponge, im sure some people would like to have it. your not understanding the basic concept of lsd being in solution. its evenly disolved throughout the liquid. here do this...go get a paper towel, and a cup of water and some salt. dissolve the salt in the water. put the paper towel in the cup of water and wait untill it is soaked, lift it up out of the water, let all the water drip off, and weigh it. now put it back in the water, and pull it out and let the water drip off again and reweigh it... guess what, same fuckin weight, and same amount of salt. it is impossible to put more of something into something that is full. blotter paper (#14 right chinacat?) absorbs a certain amount, and that is all. thats why you can sop it around all you want to make sure the whole sheet gets wet, and you dont have to worry about sopping up too much, because theres a maximum amount it will hold. i know lsd is fragile to light and air, but that mainly is with crystal. ive left sheets in the sun before, not a problem. i garuntee the foil i folded sheets up in isnt air tight, not a problem. just face it man, you cant double dip sheets, it doesnt work like that, and even if you could, why would you? why not just sell 2 hits instead of one. blotter paper isnt that hard to get ahold of.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075529 - 11/05/03 11:25 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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dude, i have tried to explain it as simply as possible. I understand your argument completely, and I understand that it is nonsensical. I will try one last time. try to keep up. I have blotter paper. I dip it in an L/alcohol solution. As soon as I have dipped it and held it there for a fraction of a second, the paper is completely permeated throughout by the mixture. It can hold no more. completely soaked. Still with me? good. it gets tougher. now, the botter dries. it is now holding the maximum amount of LSD that it possibly can from the original L/alcohol. This is because it has already reached MAXIMUM SATURATION. Once I dipped it the first time, the LSD went all through the paper. Dipping it a second time would do nothing simply because the paper has already been saturated with L. Understanding that SATURATED means completely soaked through and unable to hold any more, how can you tell me and others that we are wrong? Own3d
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: angryjslice]
#2075539 - 11/05/03 11:29 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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angryjslice said: they could change the grade of blotter they use, or just decrease the amount of solution they put a gram into. and mntl, when i said blotter absorbs the liquid, not just the chemical, i meant just that. blotter paper is holding lsd that is in solution of everclear. the blotter absorbs the everclear which contains the lsd. the blotter is fully saturated with liquid. if you dip it again, no more liquid goes in, so no more lsd goes in. thats because theres saturation. if you come up with some infinite sponge, im sure some people would like to have it. your not understanding the basic concept of lsd being in solution. its evenly disolved throughout the liquid. here do this...go get a paper towel, and a cup of water and some salt. dissolve the salt in the water. put the paper towel in the cup of water and wait untill it is soaked, lift it up out of the water, let all the water drip off, and weigh it. now put it back in the water, and pull it out and let the water drip off again and reweigh it... guess what, same fuckin weight, and same amount of salt. it is impossible to put more of something into something that is full. blotter paper (#14 right chinacat?) absorbs a certain amount, and that is all. thats why you can sop it around all you want to make sure the whole sheet gets wet, and you dont have to worry about sopping up too much, because theres a maximum amount it will hold. i know lsd is fragile to light and air, but that mainly is with crystal. ive left sheets in the sun before, not a problem. i garuntee the foil i folded sheets up in isnt air tight, not a problem. just face it man, you cant double dip sheets, it doesnt work like that, and even if you could, why would you? why not just sell 2 hits instead of one. blotter paper isnt that hard to get ahold of.
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joeshitragpicker said: dude, i have tried to explain it as simply as possible. I understand your argument completely, and I understand that it is nonsensical. I will try one last time. try to keep up.
I have blotter paper. I dip it in an L/alcohol solution. As soon as I have dipped it and held it there for a fraction of a second, the paper is completely permeated throughout by the mixture. It can hold no more. completely soaked. Still with me? good. it gets tougher. now, the botter dries. it is now holding the maximum amount of LSD that it possibly can from the original L/alcohol. This is because it has already reached MAXIMUM SATURATION. Once I dipped it the first time, the LSD went all through the paper. Dipping it a second time would do nothing simply because the paper has already been saturated with L. Understanding that SATURATED means completely soaked through and unable to hold any more, how can you tell me and others that we are wrong?
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When it dries it is no longer saturated is it.
According to the Lycaeum :A blotter can hold about 200 ug of drug material.
If you took a single blotter and dropped the mix on it then let it dry you would have say 200 micrograms of L. drop again and dry. L from first drop and second is now present. 400. continue to do this and eventualy a crystal would form.
See, once the alcohol evaps that leaves that much more room for more material.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075576 - 11/05/03 11:37 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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IT IS THE SAME MIXTURE WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF LSD DISPERSED EVENLY THROUGHOUT. THE ALCOHOL EVAPORATING OFF OF THE BLOTTER WOULD NOT BE OF ANY CONSEQUENSE AS FAR AS HOW MUCH LSD IT CAN HOLD. IT HAS REACHED MAXIMUM SATURATION FOR THE L/ALCOHOL MIXTURE.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075586 - 11/05/03 11:39 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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so LSD sticks to itself? it would have to if what you are saying is correct. LSD is a salt. it does not bind onto paper once the paper is holding the most L it possibly can.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2075597 - 11/05/03 11:42 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats why people put drops on sugar cubes. becasue the sugar absorbs the L. you dont see people putting drops on paper and letting it dry saying... "here dude.. i dosed this notter with six hits" IT WOULDNT GET ABSORBED BY THE PAPER BECAUSE THE PAPER HAS REACHED MAXIMUM SATURATION.
ok im really done discussing this now.
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joeshitragpicker said: so LSD sticks to itself? it would have to if what you are saying is correct. LSD is a salt. it does not bind onto paper once the paper is holding the most L it possibly can.
Of course it sticks to itself. What do you think crystals are. and LSD in pure dry form is crystal.
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joeshitragpicker said: thats why people put drops on sugar cubes. becasue the sugar absorbs the L. you dont see people putting drops on paper and letting it dry saying... "here dude.. i dosed this notter with six hits" IT WOULDNT GET ABSORBED BY THE PAPER BECAUSE THE PAPER HAS REACHED MAXIMUM SATURATION.
ok im really done discussing this now.
paper is not saturated after carrying medium has evaporated. why is that so hard to understand.
when a liquid is absorbed by something the liquid is occupying the air spaces between the fibers of the material. when the liquid evaps there is once again air spaces between the fibers along with any residue of solids dissolved into the liquid. The only way that material is saturated with the solids is if the solid occupies every space that air or liquid would. At that point you have basically an solid crystal with some fiber in it.
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Dude you just dont get it at all huh?
You can put as much LSD that you want on the blotter. OK? Just because you dip it once, it doesnt mean you cant add more LSD(after the ethanol is gone).
Just like chinacat said, you can add more crystal to the batch if you want.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: OctopusDr]
#2075977 - 11/06/03 02:04 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank god someone has there thinking cap on.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: angryjslice]
#2076029 - 11/06/03 02:29 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just want to say some things since you seem to not get this either. Not a big deal really... Quote:
the reason you can dip a sheet, and get even dosing is because the blotter paper reaches a maximum saturation, whereafter it will not do any good to try to add more. saying that double dipping a sheet increases potency is like saying that holding the in solution for 10 seconds longer increases potency...it absorbs what it absorbs, thats that. you want double dipped, do it with sugar cubes.
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Ok. Yes you are correct in saying that you couldnt hold the sheet in longer. Good. Because, like you said, the paper is all ready soaked("maximum saturation!")
Now. What happens when the ethanol is evaporated and the paper is no longer soaking wet("not saturated to the maximum!")? HeY you can get it wet in some LSD solution and add more LSD!
Everybody, the moral of this whole story is... People never double dip because it is pointless extra work. They just make the solution stronger to begin with. It was a sales ploy that is aparently beginning to be used again.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: OctopusDr]
#2076082 - 11/06/03 03:09 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I kind of hope they don't understand you either because if they do it means I must be speaking a lost language since that is pretty much everything that I said.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2076138 - 11/06/03 04:13 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I understand your theory. Your talking about waiting till the alcohol has dried off then laying again. Now the problem with this is when you dip the ten pack into the solution its going to reabsorb in alcohol and so is some of the LSD already on the blotter. As your letting the exess run off its likly that some of the LSD originaly on the blotter is reabsorbed in the ethanol and running off in the exess. Now granted you probaly wouldn't lose all the original LSD ,but as you can see as you re- dip the ten pack some of the LSD will be reabsorbed into the solution. LSD dissolves very, very quickly in everclear. So hypothetically dipping a tenpack a second time after it had dried could alter or possibly increase potency , though it wouldn't be a reliable way of doing it. You wouldn't be able to tell for sure how much LSD stayed on the paper when you re-dipped it. Think of your rag analagy. If I take a rag and dip it into the ocean it will absorb some salt. If I let it dry then redip it in the ocean how much salt will be on it? When you re-dip it some of the salt on the rag will go back into the water and some new salt will go into the rag. When your laying LSD you have a pyrex pan half full of solution as you dip or lay the paper you put it in for a few seconds and then lift it up and hold it back over the pan for about 5-10 seconds while all the exess run off back into the pan. Now obviously your solution is going to increase in potency which will eventually be a absorbed on some of the blotter. But if your re-dipping a gram or ten you could have a batch of blotter that varied greatly in potency from one tenpack to another. Realize i'm speculating here because this is something that just isn't done. I was around when the double and triple dip sales pitch started and know for a fact that it was just a sales pitch. In fact our friend who first started the rumor is now nicknamed double dip. Or more jokingly double dipshit. What i'm trying to say is I understand your theory and the concept. It just wouldn't be a reliable way to increase potency. It would be much more accurate and efficiant to adjust your solution to the desired potency the first time. Dipping twice is just not something thats done. Another major problem that would come with dipping twice is drying. When blotter is dipped it has to be layed out in semi warm circulating air to dry. As you can imagine this isn't good for LSD. In the whole procees from manufacturing LSD to eating it nothing comprimises potency more than when it is drying after its layed. We usually wanted to get it dry and wrapped up to protect it ASAP. By dipping it twice you would double the amount of time for the drying process.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: chinacat72]
#2076150 - 11/06/03 04:27 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly. I have no doubt that there are better ways and d-dipping would be inaccurate. My point is that it could be done. That is why I was curious about how long it takes it to disolve as that would determin how much was lost from the first dip upon a second. Obviouly that wouldn't be a problem if the alcohol was saturated with as much LSD as could be disolved in it but that would make some powerfull hits. Any idea how much LSD can be disolved in everclear (or whatever)? and how much would be in a single hit at that concentration?
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2076166 - 11/06/03 04:53 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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. That is why I was curious about how long it takes it to disolve as that would determin how much was lost from the first dip upon a second.
With the purer crystal like fluff or needlepoint they dissolve almost instantly. I have taken many grams of needlepoint and dropped it into a glass with everclear and it dissolved in seconds. It just seamed to disapear.
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Obviouly that wouldn't be a problem if the alcohol was saturated with as much LSD as could be disolved in it but that would make some powerfull hits. Any idea how much LSD can be disolved in everclear (or whatever)? and how much would be in a single hit at that concentration?
Most dipping solution is around 1 gram per 110ml. This provides 100mcg. doses. You can make it alot more potent. Nowdays nobody lays real potent hits. The days of 300-500mcg. hits are long gone. there are several reasons for this. One is money obviously. Secondly is that 100mcg. is agreed upon as good dose for the genral public. Imagine some high school kid that doesn't know much about LSD eating a couple hits of 400mcg. doses as he's out one night. He would have alot more chance to freak out than off of 100mcg. The problem nowdays is that although we agreed in the 80's to make the standard dosage range around a 100mcg(mabye a little stronger) is that back then the retail price was $2 a hit or 3 hits for 5 bucks . So even though hits were 100mcg. You could have a potent 300mcg. trip for 5 bucks. Nowdays people are paying 10 bucks for 100mcg. or less. Also if you were going to make large doses, say 500 mcg. It would be best to switch to a different carrier than blotter because that is pushing the max amount of LSD blotter can hold efficently. As for how much LSD can be dissolved in alcohol I don't know. I guess quite abit. I remember years ago making a vile to take to some Jerry band shows in San Francisco to dose family with a new batch of silver that had just came out. I didn't measure it but just dumped in a bunch of crystal into a vile. It was so thick you could see the crystal in it and it was thick. I called it sliver slushy. You could drop a few drops on your hand and let it dry and see the crystal.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: chinacat72]
#2076195 - 11/06/03 05:29 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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silver slushy, holy fuck man. Thanks for the break down. You know how they can make large crystals with a super saturated solution and a seed crystal? I wonder if it would be possible to make a very large LSD crystal. Then you could use it like a salt lick!
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2076272 - 11/06/03 07:03 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol maybe it really means the trip was licked after the first dip then dipped again.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: ]
#2076463 - 11/06/03 08:46 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am in no way any kind of expert on laying acid, but I do completely understand the reasoning behind not trying to double dip and chinacat's reasons for the standardized 100mcg dosage, but....
As I was reading through the other posts I got to thinking that if someone wanted to lay some extremely potent paper they could: 1) Mix the L/alcohol solution to the maximum. Then... 2) Pour a thin layer into a large flat bottomed cotainer that can be sealed and that can be made to have a vacuum once sealed. Then... 3) Lay the blotter and make sure that it is completely saturated in solutionand then... 4) Seal it all up with the blotter still in the solution and initiate the vacuum.
This way the alcohol will evaporate due to the vacuum and none of the solution has to be drained off of the paper. Most of the L in the solution (nearly all of it that is in contact with paper) will adhear to the blotter and not be washed off by the action of the alcohol running off of the paper.
This, in my opinion, would be the way to reach the ultimate saturation point of the blotter if one was ever so inclined. Being as there would really never be any practical need for this it is entirely a trivial matter.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2076777 - 11/06/03 11:11 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why would somebody dip it once, then add twice as much LSD and dip again when they could just add the higher does to the first batch and only dip once? Double dip is just a bunch of BS dealers say to make you want to buy their tabs. Some do it when they want to charge above market prices. They say it double dipped so you should pay twice as much for it. If you are going to use drugs you must under stand that the drug culture is full of complete morons and you must take much of what you hear with a grain of salt.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: Ekstaza]
#2076987 - 11/06/03 12:35 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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This, in my opinion, would be the way to reach the ultimate saturation point of the blotter if one was ever so inclined. Being as there would really never be any practical need for this it is entirely a trivial matter.
You could also just mix your solution to contain 500mcg. per dose(5 grams per 110ml). When you get up to acid of this strength it is best to switch to a different carrier such as liquid or gels/windowpane. When blotter gets completly saterated with LSD it becomes inefficient as a carrier. It coates the outside(because the pores on the inside are full) were it very easily flakes off anytime its touched or wrapped. I had some mop up paper once that I had used to clean the pan out after laying 30 grams of silver. The paper was filled to the max with LSD. All the porous area and surface were caked with it. I put it into a baggie and alot of the LSD came off the paper because there was so much caked on it. You could see crystal all over the baggie it was in. Blotter is best for smaller doses. For larger doses liquid or gels are best. By making windowpanes or gels you can have a wopping dose in there and its mostly protected by being sealed in the hard substance. Liquids always nice too.
For the most part though your not going to be running into blotter that is real strong.(ie. 500mcg.) anymore. If somebody put out paper with 500mcg. on , then somebody down the line would just make the hits alot smaller to make more money. I can see somebody trying to cut out five hits from a single 1/4 inch dose.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2077231 - 11/06/03 01:44 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hypothertically, theoretically, in some distant far off land you could "alter or possibly increase potency." The reason it is not done is because you have no way of masuring how much L remains on the blotter.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: ]
#2077295 - 11/06/03 02:03 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had acid that got me fucked for 24 hour's straight off 1 hit that I'm pretty sure had at least 200 mcg's in it.. One hit usualy just makes me get sort of like a continous head rush but with this shit me and my friend made the tallest building on earth move and dance around before our eye's..
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: ]
#2078553 - 11/06/03 08:45 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoftRat said: Why would somebody dip it once, then add twice as much LSD and dip again when they could just add the higher does to the first batch and only dip once? Double dip is just a bunch of BS dealers say to make you want to buy their tabs. Some do it when they want to charge above market prices. They say it double dipped so you should pay twice as much for it.
If you are going to use drugs you must under stand that the drug culture is full of complete morons and you must take much of what you hear with a grain of salt.
I don't know why you said this to me. I said that there probably is no good reason to do this. Only that it was possible.
I have been enjoying altered states for the better part of two decades and while I don't remember the good ole' days like chinacat or my mother, I do remember a ton of what we thought was good cid in the late 80's. And it is not just this culture filled with the people you described.
Not in regards to you but, I think it is important to listen to what people actually say and not read things into it. I doubt chinacat ever actually said it was impossible, only that it wasn't done and that anyone who said it was double dipped was misinformed or lying. All of which I agree with. Anyone who can't differentiate between what is said and what they want you to think they said in doomed to lead a severly missinformed life.
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Re: Double Dipped Acid? [Re: Osker246]
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Im sorry Im nekro-ing but the level of dumb in this thread is astounding.
1. yes "double dipped" is a sales pitch.
2. but trying to explain that its impossible through wook logic just makes yall look like idiots.
someone in the mix said that IT IS INEFFICIENT.
that is the beginning and end of it.
to say that after being dipped once the paper cannot hold any more LSD is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this site.
if that was the case, then increasing the potency of the dipping solution wouldnt work either
.. its basic common sense for anyone that doesnt have their brainwaves blocked by Ketamine and dreadlocks.
if you pour a 500ml solution of .1g salt of ANYTHING in to an evap dish and evap it down to salt, and then you pour say another 500ml of said solution in to the dish and evap it... guess what, youre going to have the crystals from both solutions in the same dish. i.e. .2g
I would love someone to give me a logical reason why when you add the second dip or drip of solution to a sheet of blotter and evap it, somehow the salts are magically capable of evaporating with the alcohol.
sometimes this site makes me want to beat people to death with elementary school science kits. some of yall need less "psychonauting" and more education/ experience with doing, instead of with being a custy.
or better yet if youre happy with being an ignorant custy, stfu when adults are discussing stuff.
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Some of these posters are probably dead from old age at this point broski lol
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I saw the title of this thread and was thinking "Is it the 90's again already?"
But I see it almost was.
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