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How likely is it to get "bad acid"?
    #4166911 - 05/12/05 04:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I keep reading all these threads about people taking blotters and then crazy shit happens to them that shouldn't be LSD. I'm taking a guess here based on context, but I'm assuming a 'research chemical' is just some other chemical thats harmful that can give similar effects to tripping, except they are dangerous. Is this right?
How likely is it to get any one of these chemicals or other dangerous ones.. I have an opportunity to get acid, and I have never tripped before, so I wouldn't know what to compare it to.. I dont want to get a blotter with some of this other shit on it and it makes me sick or physically harmed in any way.
I know its impossible to say, but I'm asking i guess.. whats the worst that could happen, and what are the odds of getting these problems? is it worth worrying about?


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Limelight]
    #4166920 - 05/12/05 04:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

sorry, correction - i have never tripped on acid. I did on shrooms though


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Limelight]
    #4166935 - 05/12/05 05:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

really what your asking is for us to "assume" that what your getting is bad, and if it is, what would it be and what would it do to you? that is impossible to say...but basically a blotter can't hold that much of anything and USED to that if you seen it it was either bunk or good, but now there are all these research chems out there (which i can't get ahold of for some reason!!) mainly 5-meo-amt is the one that most people try to pass off as acid because its basically the same effects for about the same time...but it VERY touchy when weighing it out because a tiny little bit extra can hospitilize you or even kill you..so your best bet is, get it for someone you know (preferably someone you dont really like) and tell them it MIGHT be fake and if they want to try it, let em...dont tell em its real..but if they want to brave it...see how it goes, and if it works try it yourself...thats about all i can say towards that subject...does anyeone know any key differences in the trip from 5-me0-amt and LSD? like to tell the difference? anyways try someone who is alittle more experienced than I, because i have never really found acid...so i couldn't tell you, just know from word of mouth...

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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Silent_Echo]
    #4166943 - 05/12/05 05:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

ah hell. .thats what i was worried about. fuck that


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Limelight]
    #4166960 - 05/12/05 05:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i think if you're getting blotters the chance of getting a research chemical is fairly low. only a small amount of any substance can fit on a single blotter, and i would think that most RCs need much higher doses than can fit on a blotter paper to be active. i'm not 100% sure though and i'm sure someone who knows more than me will respond.


just saw silent echoes post, i dont think 5-meo-amt is dangerous unless taken in high doses, and blotters cannot hold very high doses. but as i said, wait for more responses before you decide either way.


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: nightkrawler]
    #4168232 - 05/12/05 10:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The way I look at it is the only thing people can pass off as acid are hallucinogenic research chemicals that I'd probably like to try anyways. For me the main concern is that it would be completely inactive, and that's vastly more common. I wouldn't sweat it but you're entitled to your opinion of course, most of the people who talk about "bad acid" are the same people who talk about how mushrooms are bad and how all hallucinogens make your brain bleed. They just had a bad experience for whatever reason (these people almost never follow set and setting rules) and it scared them so much they decided the acid must be bad.


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Wysefool]
    #4173193 - 05/14/05 01:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Chances are your not going to have a research chemical in your blotter. It'll either be acid, or no acid... or very little acid. There wouldn't be a way really to OD on a research chemical on blotter, as most other drugs need more to get you going compared to acid, and blotter paper doesn't fit that much drug.


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: MeThoD]
    #4173219 - 05/14/05 02:03 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

is there such thing as 'bad acid' though? i ask because it seems that one particular sheet (homer simpsons) has caused my friends and i to have less enjoyable experiences, seeming to play with schitzophrenic aspects more too. whereas other sheets we have tried since have been fine. is it completely psychological or are there 'strains' of acid which may encourage the less enjoyable aspects?


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: ajna]
    #4173383 - 05/14/05 03:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

LSD is LSD, there are no strains of acid. It's probably all mental.


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Ravus]
    #4173464 - 05/14/05 04:07 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There's a post somewhere in these forums describing a hierarchy of acid grades. They range from 'pinprick,' the tippy-tops of crystals to 'tomato juice,' a brownish slurry. Now, L.S.D.-25 has probably always been the same, but I am personally convinced that various impurities could have effect. There are left and right-handed molecules, for example, that are difficult to distinguish even with chromatography. My own experiences have ranged from heavy, body-based trips, to purely visual trips that felt so literally superficial that I went to sleep. And falling under neither of those categories were the spring 1998 Iowa City gels. Sure, set 'n' setting, yadda yadda, for certain, everything was right, but I know FOR DAMNED CERTAIN that not every bit of blotter could dilate every cell in your body like that...

In one respect I agree with you, it's probably not worth worrying about the supposed bad acid. I, personally, have only had disappointing acid. But I do think it is worth hoping for the GREAT acid that I know has circulated.

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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: RosalindKrauss]
    #4173644 - 05/14/05 06:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thats Needlepoint (not pinprick) and Tornado Juice (not Tomato Juice)


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: RosalindKrauss]
    #4174013 - 05/14/05 11:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Going by Dr. Shulgin, he said that the majority, if not all, of LSD-like contaminants in normal blotter acid were inactive. He didn't go to thumbprint doses using them I imagine, but I believe that according to ChinaCat's experiments, some LSD-like chemicals may be active in outrageously high doses and change the experience, like champagne acid, versus mostly pure LSD, like needlepoint and fluff.

My theory would be that if you took a blotter containing straight LSD, and a blotter containing unpure acid with the same amount of LSD but also other contaminants added, you'll have the same trip. But if you take a thumbprint dose of straight LSD versus an unpure batch, the results will be readily noticed. It'd need to be tested, but according to the information gathered from Dr. Shulgin versus the experiences and observations noted by ChinaCat, this does seem to be the case.


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Ravus]
    #4174064 - 05/14/05 11:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I would agree that you're right in some 90%+ of cases. I wouldn't say no one could distinguish contaminant from normal LSD dosages. Individual body chemistry and personal experience would play a huge role. Some people are super sensitive to LSD, tryptamines in general, and therefore its my theory that they are or can be just as sensitive to the contaminants.


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Organic]
    #4175492 - 05/14/05 06:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

there are two versions of LSD; LSD25 and LSD21. The 25 is the good stuff that hoffman first discovered the effects of, and 21 is supposed to have similar effects but a bit different in character, more choppy and unpleasant SO I'VE HEARD. There are also all kinds of Lysergic acid analouges that have similar effects and potency, some being slightly more potent than LSD25.

Shulgin says some very interesting stuff about the subject in TiKHAL. The people who were arrested for selling "Orange Sunshine" acid during the summer of love said in their defense that they were not selling LSD but an analouge that was not scheduled. But since you have to make LSD to make the analouge they were convicted anyways.

Plus you have to take into consideration that toxic solvents are used to put the LSD into blotter papers, and that you don't know if it was all done properly.

If you are worried about getting something other than what you paid for, then just don't eat acid and stick to shrooms. They are very friendly and do pretty much the same thing as acid...


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4176378 - 05/14/05 11:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

research chemicals are not that much of a thing to be afraid of. They certainly arent something to screw around with(and by that, i mean recklessly...I've tried a few)...but acid is the most potent drug ever created...thus, no other drug has the same effects under the same dosage as acid.
It is extremely unlikely to get 'bad acid' that would kill you. A good way to check, though, would be to eat half, and if it has any taste at all[that isnt papery]...you know its not lsd. And if its tasteless, you either got a blank sheet of paper or LSD.

You can be pretty secure with eating acid. The chance of getting anything thats potent enough to harm you on a piece of paper is very unlikely.


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Veter]
    #4177471 - 05/15/05 10:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

to those who no what acid tastes like what does it taste like,then you could eat half then if it tastes like acid,then eat the other half of the sheet


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: unearth]
    #4177596 - 05/15/05 11:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

well, one way to start is to make sure that the blotter tabs you got have a signature image on em, that means that they were professionaly done and not by some amateur chemist. then you could try the blacklight test, though i believe your supposed to have a whole sheet for that.

hell, i have yet to take a blotter of acid that i deem as "good".


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Abermelin]
    #4177611 - 05/15/05 11:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

of the acid i took, it tastes like nothing, but it does make the spot on your touch that it tongue a little tingly and numb.


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Abermelin]
    #4177658 - 05/15/05 12:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Chemists generally don't lay the blotter. You can't rely on a known print either, people can easily fake good prints that are in circulation. Also, plain white hits are very common right now.

The blacklight test doesn't work that well unless you have an amount of crystal LSD, one generally cannot tell based on blotter response to blacklight. If your hits are white, they will glow by default, no?

I can agree with the feeling you get from L on your tongue. I describe it as "metallic energy"


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Re: How likely is it to get "bad acid"? [Re: Organic]
    #4177725 - 05/15/05 12:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

just do what i do,only buy stuff off people you know pretty well and can easily trust.that way you can be sure of things


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