Prisoner#1 said:

Citizen X said:

Socialism Definition
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n. noun

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.

Does the U.S. Centralized government own healthcare?

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one of a dozen narrow definitions

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The Ecstatic said:

Prisoner#1 said:

Citizen X said:

Socialism Definition
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n. noun

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.

Does the U.S. Centralized government own healthcare?

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one of a dozen narrow definitions

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It's the only definition.


The US Government doesn't own any industry in the country. Even defense is privatized.

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zappaisgod said:

psi said:

Car insurance in the US is "socialist" too, the government punishes you if you drive a car without having purchased insurance from a private company.

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That isn't true.  You can post a bond in lieu of insurance.

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The Ecstatic said:

I don't think any two sentences would accurately describe an economic philosophy.

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Regardless, no correct definition would support the notion that Obamacare is socialism.

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Prisoner#1 said:

The Ecstatic said:

I don't think any two sentences would accurately describe an economic philosophy.

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and yet just moments ago you were espousing that it was all there is to it

you really need to read up on socialism

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Regardless, no correct definition would support the notion that Obamacare is socialism.

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and again, I never claimed it was. a key point you failed to produce
claiming I've misrepresented obamacare as socialism

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Silversoul said:

To be fair, Stalin corrupted the definition of socialism by claiming the Soviet Union was already socialist, whereas for Lenin, it was merely a worker's state whose goal was achieving socialism, with no pretense of already having done so.  Similar thing with "democratic socialism."  Eduard Bernstein was the father of democratic socialism, which saw socialism as something that could be achieved gradually through piecemeal reforms.  Unfortunately, that's given people the false impression that those reforms are themselves socialist, rather than a means toward achieving it.  So that's how we get all this hoopla about how socialism = "big gub'mint," which, for those who don't know, is complete and utter bullshit.

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Exactly.