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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
ColorDragon said:
Should moneyed interests that profit from CO2 emission be permitted to perpetuate the myth to the public that limitless CO2 emission is A-OK or that there does not exist scientific concensus about global climate change and its causes and costs?



I profit from CO2 emissions as does everybody who uses cheap energy.  There has been an 18 year hiatus in warming.  I think it is important that people be free to point out that the climate change alarmists are making a lot of money scaring people about nothing



Oceanic heatsinking. You're in for a rude awakening if you think that ride lasts forever. So, are we okay with rounding up the people denying climate change, putting them in prison camps, and making them pay for the damage the rest of their existances if it turns out they're wrong? There's only one chance to get this right, and the consequences are nearly infinite. How's that for scaring?

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There is nothing arbitrary about most of what is considered immoral.



Funny, I think any 'morality' that is disconnected actual outcomes is arbitrary. Moral leaders would have women obey men and wear veils, would have LGBT people denied equal rights, would burn people for crossing arbitrary lines in the sand. There's little that isn't arbitrary about most of what is considered immoral.

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What chemical weapon manufacturers?



Local police forces across the country routinely use so-called "nonlethal" chemical weapons that would be war crimes if used on a battlefield.

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Without prisons and law enforcement equipment you would probably be a slave or dead because that would mena assholes like me would have to deal with it ourselves.



When did I suggest no prisons or law enforcement? That's your idea, not mine, and a pretty crappy one, if you want my honest assessment. Nobody has a problem with locking up violent criminals, thieves, fraudsters, or public officials caught in lies or corruption.

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Should oil and gas extraction interests be permitted to contaminate the surface and deep water formations?



There is a whole host of nonsense there and if anything you are making the case for more speech.  Fracking has been going on for a long time and nothing you mention has happened



How can you say that when the there are journalistic accounts absolutely filled with counterexamples everywhere that fracking has been occurring with the methods applied in the last six to eight years, from PA to ND, CO, to TX, and beyond. Are you even looking? Don't you have an obligation to know what's going on before you start representing to people at large what is going on? Ignorance doesn't absolve you of spreading deception.

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Should the agricultural business be permitted to endlessly find new ways to impose their regime of herbicide, pesticide, fungicide, GMO crops upon growers and consumers without notice? Should they be able to distribute chicken contaminated with antibiotic-resistant salmonella without being shut down? Is it okay that they're selectively breeding a supercrop of antibiotic-resistant bacteria in the name of lower overhead?



They impose nothing, they are not allowed to distribute salmonella chicken and I have no idea what you are talking about in re breeding a super-crop of antibiotic resistant bacteria.  The existence of antibiotics alone creates antibiotic resistant vbacteria.  It is called evolution and it cannot be denied.



Go ahead and google Tyson Farms Chicken Antibiotics in the news. Read what's been going on. We'll wait. Google Monsanto Roundup-Ready GMO. We'll wait.

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Money says one thing. Any sort of good will says another.



I suspect your definition of good will and mine are vastly different.  Activism starts at home.  Get off the internet, stop using electricity you don't generate yourself, grow all your own food and build your own house from logs you cut yourself with a handsaw and an axe.  The fact of that matter is that all the shit you decry is precisely that which has afforded you the luxury to whine



It's afforded people the luxury of profits and the expense of us all, and the expense of posterity. You present going back to the stone age as the only alternative, this seems openly disingenuous if you want my opinion.

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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: PsyDragon]
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ColorDragon said:
Enlil: people listen to false speech if it confirms what they want to believe. They dismiss opposing speech.

What is the solution to this harmful false speech?



More speech.  People are basically stupid.  The solution to that is education. 

What you propose, however, is that no one have any right to speak in any meaningful way.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: PsyDragon]
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ColorDragon said:
zappaisgod said:
ColorDragon said:
Should moneyed interests that profit from CO2 emission be permitted to perpetuate the myth to the public that limitless CO2 emission is A-OK or that there does not exist scientific concensus about global climate change and its causes and costs?



I profit from CO2 emissions as does everybody who uses cheap energy.  There has been an 18 year hiatus in warming.  I think it is important that people be free to point out that the climate change alarmists are making a lot of money scaring people about nothing



Oceanic heatsinking. You're in for a rude awakening if you think that ride lasts forever. So, are we okay with rounding up the people denying climate change, putting them in prison camps, and making them pay for the damage the rest of their existances if it turns out they're wrong? There's only one chance to get this right, and the consequences are nearly infinite. How's that for scaring?



I'll file that right next to the global cooling scare from the seventies
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There is nothing arbitrary about most of what is considered immoral.



Funny, I think any 'morality' that is disconnected actual outcomes is arbitrary. Moral leaders would have women obey men and wear veils, would have LGBT people denied equal rights, would burn people for crossing arbitrary lines in the sand. There's little that isn't arbitrary about most of what is considered immoral.



It is immoral to steal and murder.  Those are elements of morality.  You need to be specific.  I agree with the specifics of what you object to but you are sloppy in your argument.  I'm doing you a favor here.
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What chemical weapon manufacturers?



Local police forces across the country routinely use so-called "nonlethal" chemical weapons that would be war crimes if used on a battlefield.



What?  Mace?  Tear gas?  What the fuck are you talking about?  Be specific
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Without prisons and law enforcement equipment you would probably be a slave or dead because that would mena assholes like me would have to deal with it ourselves.



When did I suggest no prisons or law enforcement? That's your idea, not mine, and a pretty crappy one, if you want my honest assessment. Nobody has a problem with locking up violent criminals, thieves, fraudsters, or public officials caught in lies or corruption.



Once again, you were not specific about the police equipment you object to
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Should oil and gas extraction interests be permitted to contaminate the surface and deep water formations?



There is a whole host of nonsense there and if anything you are making the case for more speech.  Fracking has been going on for a long time and nothing you mention has happened



How can you say that when the there are journalistic accounts absolutely filled with counterexamples everywhere that fracking has been occurring with the methods applied in the last six to eight years, from PA to ND, CO, to TX, and beyond. Are you even looking? Don't you have an obligation to know what's going on before you start representing to people at large what is going on? Ignorance doesn't absolve you of spreading deception.



Absolutely none of the accounts I have read stand up to any kind of scrutiny.  If you have something link it
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Should the agricultural business be permitted to endlessly find new ways to impose their regime of herbicide, pesticide, fungicide, GMO crops upon growers and consumers without notice? Should they be able to distribute chicken contaminated with antibiotic-resistant salmonella without being shut down? Is it okay that they're selectively breeding a supercrop of antibiotic-resistant bacteria in the name of lower overhead?



They impose nothing, they are not allowed to distribute salmonella chicken and I have no idea what you are talking about in re breeding a super-crop of antibiotic resistant bacteria.  The existence of antibiotics alone creates antibiotic resistant vbacteria.  It is called evolution and it cannot be denied.



Go ahead and google Tyson Farms Chicken Antibiotics in the news. Read what's been going on. We'll wait. Google Monsanto Roundup-Ready GMO. We'll wait.



What does that have to do with selling salmonella chicken?  I see no epidemic.  I am fully versed on Monsanto and have no problem, per se, with GMOs.  They increase crop yields and help feed the masses.
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Money says one thing. Any sort of good will says another.



I suspect your definition of good will and mine are vastly different.  Activism starts at home.  Get off the internet, stop using electricity you don't generate yourself, grow all your own food and build your own house from logs you cut yourself with a handsaw and an axe.  The fact of that matter is that all the shit you decry is precisely that which has afforded you the luxury to whine



It's afforded people the luxury of profits and the expense of us all, and the expense of posterity. You present going back to the stone age as the only alternative, this seems openly disingenuous if you want my opinion.



I don't think you understand what I classify as a luxury.  It is a luxury to not have to spend every waking hour to procure food and shelter.  That is the luxury that fossil fuels have brought humanity


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
ColorDragon said:
Enlil: people listen to false speech if it confirms what they want to believe. They dismiss opposing speech.

What is the solution to this harmful false speech?



More speech.  People are basically stupid.  The solution to that is education. 

What you propose, however, is that no one have any right to speak in any meaningful way.



If you haven't heard me speak you are not truly educated.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod]
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I'm not sure specifics matter. What flavor of objectionable is irrelevant when talking objectionable.

Pennsylvania Finally Reveals Fracking Has Contaminated Drinking Water Hundreds Of Times

Oceans Hid the Heat and Slowed Pace of Global Warming

Yes, Tear Gas Being Used in Ferguson Is Banned in Warfare- But Not in War Zones

Mold, feces and cockroaches: Documents reveal new reasons to distrust Foster Farms chicken (Not Tyson, my mistake, stand corrected etc.)

You really didn't need me to find these examples, but ask and ye shall receive.

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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: PsyDragon]
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ColorDragon said:
I'm not sure specifics matter. What flavor of objectionable is irrelevant when talking objectionable.

Pennsylvania Finally Reveals Fracking Has Contaminated Drinking Water Hundreds Of Times


Complaints are not proof.  I could complain that Pris touched me in my private place but that does not constitute proof that he did.

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The 243 cases, from 2008 to 2014, include some where a single drilling operation impacted multiple water wells. The problems listed in the documents include methane gas contamination, spills of wastewater and other pollutants, and wells that went dry or were otherwise undrinkable. Some of the problems were temporary, but the names of landowners were redacted, so it wasn't clear if the problems were resolved to their satisfaction. Other complaints are still being investigated.




You are going to have to do better than this.  Methane migration has nothing to do with fracking and fracking fluid is drinkable

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Oceans Hid the Heat and Slowed Pace of Global Warming



Your religion
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Newly published data suggest



Suggest?  You are going to have to do a lot better than suggest before you convince me that we need to curtail the single greatest boon to mankind.
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Yes, Tear Gas Being Used in Ferguson Is Banned in Warfare- But Not in War Zones



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Mold, feces and cockroaches: Documents reveal new reasons to distrust Foster Farms chicken (Not Tyson, my mistake, stand corrected etc.)

You really didn't need me to find these examples, but ask and ye shall receive.



There are allowable levels of all of those things written into the FDA code.  How do you like this yummy organic farming stuff

http://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2011/06/29/blame_organic_industry_for_e_coli_outbreak_106245.html


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
ColorDragon said:
I'm not sure specifics matter. What flavor of objectionable is irrelevant when talking objectionable.

Pennsylvania Finally Reveals Fracking Has Contaminated Drinking Water Hundreds Of Times


Complaints are not proof.  I could complain that Pris touched me in my private place but that does not constitute proof that he did.





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:facepalm: I'm never giving you the password again. Jerk

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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I haven't seen any indication that soft money is spent more on Republicans than on Democrats.  How could one not consider the editorial page and much of the news articles in the NY Times as soft money contributions to liberals?  Everything Michael Moore has ever done is soft money contribution to liberals.



Barry had the Major TV networks playing him up during (especially) the first election. 

Chris Matthews only got Obama's dick out of his mouth long enough to say 'racist'


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: starfire_xes]
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Perhaps if you guys take a look at your neighbor which solved this political fundraising issue not too long ago...

http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=ces&document=part6&lang=e

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Contribution Limits

Major changes to the political financing regime that came into effect in 2004 and 2007 set limits on political contributions (adjusted annually for inflation). The most important, indexed as of 2012, are as follows:

A citizen or permanent resident of Canada can give up to $1,200 each year in total to each registered political party; up to $1,200 each year in total to the registered electoral district associations, nomination contestants and candidates of each registered party; up to $1,200 in total to the leadership contestants of a registered party in a particular contest; and up to $1,200 for a particular election to each candidate who is not endorsed by a registered party.

Corporations and trade unions may not make contributions to political entities.



See? Not corporate donations and 1200$ MAX per citizen. So when a corpartion wants to donation a million, they need to find 1000 people whom to give money to, so they can each give it to the political party. Which is illegal to do.

Problem solved.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Patlal]
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We already have limits on campaign contributions.  We're talking about private expenditures on advertising, not campaign contributions.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
We already have limits on campaign contributions.  We're talking about private expenditures on advertising, not campaign contributions.



A loophole that should be closed.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Enlil said:
We already have limits on campaign contributions.  We're talking about private expenditures on advertising, not campaign contributions.



A loophole that should be closed.



As long as some candidates get what amounts to free advertising on the editorial pages, no. It should not be closed.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
The Ecstatic said:
Enlil said:
We already have limits on campaign contributions.  We're talking about private expenditures on advertising, not campaign contributions.



A loophole that should be closed.



As long as some candidates get what amounts to free advertising on the editorial pages, no. It should not be closed.



Are you insinuating that Citizens United levels the playing field for Republicans due to the liberal media?

Either way you make a good point, although I would argue there's a big difference between media bias and a corporate funded free for all across every advertising medium.


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Rich liberals have the same freedom and have availed themselves of it quite a bit.  Citizens United also frees unions to spew all the hate they wish.  The Citizens United case freed everybody, liberal and conservative alike.  If you want to shut down corporate speech then shut down all corporate speech.  That means the NY Times, a corporation, must also shut the fuck up about the issues.  Citizens United didn't go far enough in my opinion.  Why should the NY Times be allowed to directly endorse a candidate and essentially provide them with millions of dollars of direct campaign contributions in free advertising?


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
luvdemshrooms said:
The Ecstatic said:
Enlil said:
We already have limits on campaign contributions.  We're talking about private expenditures on advertising, not campaign contributions.



A loophole that should be closed.



As long as some candidates get what amounts to free advertising on the editorial pages, no. It should not be closed.



Are you insinuating that Citizens United levels the playing field for Republicans due to the liberal media?

Either way you make a good point, although I would argue there's a big difference between media bias and a corporate funded free for all across every advertising medium.



I said nothing about political leanings as not all media outlets are liberal, although I believe the bulk are.

If it's OK for group "A", it has to be OK for group "B".

Further, I'd say free advertising (media bias) is far more cost effective than paid advertisements. As well, I think your low attention span voter will be more affected by what they read in the paper as opposed to commercials. Many see ads as what they are (selling) but still have the quaint belief that papers are impartial... which we both know they are not.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
A loophole that should be closed.



What you call a loophole, I call the fundamental freedom of any democratic republic.

A nation where people are limited in what money they can spend on promoting a political message is a nation where all media and art are subject to the whims of those in power.  Every movie that could even remotely be deemed to have a political message could be censored and forced to be edited in a way that pleases the government.

Is that really a nation you want to live in?


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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The list published on OpenSecrets.org ranks the top 150 organizations that donated to federal candidates and parties in the 2013-2014 election cycle. The rankings are based on the total amount contributed, with ActBlue, a Democratic fundraising platform, leading the list with $119.8 million in donations, with 100% going to Democratic candidates. The top 10 organizations, including labor unions, corporations, and special interest groups, skewed heavily Democratic, with only a few notable exceptions, such as the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the Club for Growth, which are largely Republican. The list highlights the significant influence of money in politics and the dominance of certain groups in contributing to federal elections.

Rank Organization Total '89-'14 Dem % Repub %
1 ActBlue $119,805,859 99% 0%
2 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $63,562,815 79% 1%
3 National Education Assn $59,991,508 57% 4%
4 AT&T Inc $57,977,064 41% 58%
5 National Assn of Realtors $57,197,540 41% 43%
6 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $47,074,114 90% 2%
7 Goldman Sachs $47,054,435 52% 44%
8 Carpenters & Joiners Union $43,628,423 68% 9%
9 United Auto Workers $42,462,975 71% 0%
10 Service Employees International Union $41,307,878 80% 2%
11 Laborers Union $39,686,889 83% 7%
12 American Federation of Teachers $38,179,895 89% 0%
13 Teamsters Union $36,977,417 88% 5%
14 Communications Workers of America $36,800,816 87% 0%
15 JPMorgan Chase & Co $35,815,427 47% 51%
16 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $35,451,971 85% 0%
17 AFL-CIO $35,393,501 54% 2%
18 United Parcel Service $33,444,162 35% 64%
19 Citigroup Inc $33,438,657 48% 50%
20 EMILY's List $32,778,804 98% 0%
21 National Auto Dealers Assn $32,767,410 31% 68%
22 American Bankers Assn $32,571,652 35% 63%
23 Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $32,028,697 98% 1%
24 American Medical Assn $31,096,212 39% 59%
25 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $30,939,068 36% 63%
26 National Beer Wholesalers Assn $30,703,660 35% 63%
27 Microsoft Corp $30,570,785 55% 44%
28 Newsweb Corp $30,244,671 33% 0%
29 General Electric $29,304,405 47% 52%
30 Lockheed Martin $28,598,625 42% 57%
31 National Assn of Home Builders $28,444,778 34% 65%
32 Bank of America $28,352,567 40% 57%
33 National Assn of Letter Carriers $27,086,845 84% 8%
34 Morgan Stanley $26,937,228 42% 56%
35 Verizon Communications $26,858,035 39% 59%
36 Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $26,373,134 81% 4%
37 Deloitte LLP $26,144,248 36% 63%
38 Credit Union National Assn $25,275,205 47% 51%
39 Operating Engineers Union $24,407,864 82% 14%
40 Ernst & Young $24,351,295 42% 57%
41 International Assn of Fire Fighters $23,854,070 79% 16%
42 American Hospital Assn $23,668,112 52% 47%
43 Time Warner $23,596,535 73% 25%
44 PricewaterhouseCoopers $23,283,101 35% 64%
45 Sheet Metal Workers Union $23,160,678 95% 2%
46 American Dental Assn $22,767,728 43% 54%
47 Boeing Co $22,686,941 46% 53%
48 Comcast Corp $22,590,282 56% 43%
49 UBS AG $22,312,470 40% 58%
50 Honeywell International $21,298,470 44% 55%
51 Northrop Grumman $21,118,148 42% 57%
52 AFLAC Inc $20,680,489 43% 56%
53 Pfizer Inc $20,529,660 35% 64%
54 Air Line Pilots Assn $20,528,047 82% 17%
55 Union Pacific Corp $20,428,106 27% 72%
56 Natl Assn/Insurance & Financial Advisors $20,391,324 41% 58%
57 National Rifle Assn $20,120,903 17% 82%
58 Koch Industries $19,760,583 8% 91%
59 American Assn for Justice $19,329,849 79% 3%
60 United Steelworkers $19,311,456 86% 0%
61 Club for Growth $18,995,217 0% 96%
62 Altria Group $18,858,916 31% 68%
63 Raytheon Co $18,506,803 43% 56%
64 American Postal Workers Union $18,314,258 86% 2%
65 New York Life Insurance $18,217,254 49% 50%
66 Ironworkers Union $18,116,740 92% 6%
67 National Rural Electric Cooperative Assn $17,788,390 46% 53%
68 Credit Suisse Group $17,612,641 41% 57%
69 United Transportation Union $17,612,100 87% 11%
70 General Dynamics $17,408,069 45% 53%
71 Akin, Gump et al $17,368,483 62% 37%
72 National Air Traffic Controllers Assn $16,719,600 77% 21%
73 American Institute of CPAs $16,590,075 41% 58%
74 National Cable & Telecommunications Assn $16,272,760 47% 52%
75 Chevron $16,185,027 19% 64%
76 FedEx Corp $16,086,043 39% 60%
77 Anheuser-Busch $15,971,713 48% 51%
78 Wal-Mart Stores $15,950,995 33% 66%
79 Exxon Mobil $15,922,703 13% 86%
80 KPMG LLP $15,675,249 34% 65%
81 DLA Piper $15,455,274 67% 31%
82 CSX Corp $15,135,980 34% 64%
83 Merrill Lynch $14,905,708 37% 62%
84 GlaxoSmithKline $14,888,543 30% 69%
85 Wells Fargo $14,642,242 36% 62%
86 News Corp $14,601,288 58% 41%
87 Walt Disney Co $14,499,776 68% 30%
88 Indep Insurance Agents & Brokers/America $14,460,400 34% 65%
89 Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance $14,376,504 39% 60%
90 American Health Care Assn $14,229,977 51% 48%
91 American Financial Group $14,179,605 15% 73%
92 University of California $14,174,170 89% 9%
93 Associated Builders & Contractors $14,137,782 1% 98%
94 American Crystal Sugar $14,101,709 61% 38%
95 American Society of Anesthesiologists $14,012,087 41% 58%
96 WPP Group $13,793,554 54% 45%
97 Prudential Financial $13,761,053 49% 50%
98 Southern Co $13,570,961 28% 70%
99 National Restaurant Assn $13,047,141 16% 82%
100 Home Depot $12,803,996 25% 74%
101 Securities Industry & Financial Mkt Assn $12,773,648 40% 59%
102 Human Rights Campaign $12,686,293 89% 8%
103 MetLife Inc $12,648,063 51% 48%
104 American Optometric Assn $12,612,358 57% 42%
105 United Technologies $12,360,864 46% 52%
106 American Academy of Ophthalmology $12,237,208 50% 49%
107 Eli Lilly & Co $11,988,305 31% 67%
108 Natl Active & Retired Fed Employees Assn $11,958,700 78% 21%
109 National Assn of Broadcasters $11,855,664 44% 55%
110 Saban Capital Group $11,809,472 89% 0%
111 Painters & Allied Trades Union $11,720,212 85% 12%
112 General Motors $11,679,949 39% 60%
113 Associated General Contractors $11,572,307 14% 85%
114 Ford Motor Co $11,324,804 39% 60%
115 American Maritime Officers $11,316,831 46% 53%
116 Exelon Corp $11,153,695 42% 57%
117 Blackstone Group $11,074,462 46% 51%
118 Independent Community Bankers of America $11,018,235 42% 57%
119 Reynolds American $11,009,863 25% 74%
120 Skadden, Arps et al $10,990,342 77% 22%
121 UST Inc $10,933,093 22% 77%
122 Amway/Alticor Inc $10,812,113 0% 97%
123 Seafarers International Union $10,702,455 83% 16%
124 AIG $10,629,155 49% 50%
125 National Cmte to Preserve Social Security & Medicare $10,538,036 82% 17%
126 American Airlines $10,326,881 43% 55%
127 Freddie Mac $10,305,979 43% 55%
128 MBNA Corp $10,281,363 16% 83%
129 American Physical Therapy Assn $10,262,223 49% 50%
130 American Trucking Assns $10,210,498 27% 72%
131 National Fedn of Independent Business $9,964,363 6% 93%
132 Greenberg Traurig LLP $9,892,336 61% 37%
133 Harvard University $9,855,807 87% 12%
134 Transport Workers Union $9,844,399 95% 4%
135 Amalgamated Transit Union $9,805,618 93% 6%
136 Lehman Brothers $9,740,909 52% 45%
137 American Council of Life Insurers $9,721,878 38% 61%
138 Aircraft Owners & Pilots Assn $9,696,013 43% 56%
139 MGM Resorts International $9,613,292 44% 50%
140 Archer Daniels Midland $9,524,617 42% 57%
141 National Rural Letter Carriers Assn $9,307,100 71% 27%
142 BellSouth Corp $9,277,106 44% 55%
143 Fannie Mae $9,159,740 53% 46%
144 Wachovia Corp $8,626,814 30% 69%
145 National Cmte for an Effective Congress $8,447,690 99% 0%
146 Interpublic Group $8,441,270 65% 33%
147 Marine Engineers Beneficial Assn $8,255,079 73% 25%
148 Bristol-Myers Squibb $8,040,807 23% 75%
149 Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp $7,707,239 31% 67%
150 MCI Inc $7,662,886 45% 54%
151 Bear Stearns $7,293,173 55% 43%
152 BP $7,039,202 30% 69%
153 Enron Corp $6,552,678 28% 71%
154 Andersen $6,274,745 37% 62%
155 Vivendi $6,041,568 61% 32%

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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zappaisgod said:
Rich liberals have the same freedom and have availed themselves of it quite a bit.  Citizens United also frees unions to spew all the hate they wish.  The Citizens United case freed everybody, liberal and conservative alike.  If you want to shut down corporate speech then shut down all corporate speech.  That means the NY Times, a corporation, must also shut the fuck up about the issues.  Citizens United didn't go far enough in my opinion.  [Why should the NY Times be allowed to directly endorse a candidate and essentially provide them with millions of dollars of direct campaign contributions in free advertising?



http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2014/09/08/mrc-study-tv-buries-bad-news-obamas-collapsing-polls

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That’s why it’s so extraordinary that polling news has practically vanished from the Big Three evening newscasts in 2014 as President Obama’s approval ratings have tumbled and the public opposes defining administration policies like ObamaCare. Just last Thursday, for example, Gallup found Obama’s approval rating at a record low of 38 percent, yet none of the three broadcast networks bothered to mention this on their evening or morning newscasts.

Such coverage is in stunning contrast to how those same newscasts relentlessly emphasized polls showing bad news for George W. Bush during the same phase of his presidency. Media Research Center analysts reviewed every reference on the ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscasts to public opinion polls from January 1 through August 31, 2014, and from the same time period in 2006. Eight years ago, the networks aired 124 evening news reports which cited public opinion polls about either President Bush’s overall approval rating or his handling of specific policies. In 2014, those same broadcasts produced only nine reports which mentioned public opinion surveys related to President Obama.

In Bush’s case, the networks routinely highlighted his falling approval ratings to illustrate his political weakness, and regularly cited polling data showing public disapproval of policies such as the Iraq war. This year, even as President Obama has suffered his own political meltdown, the networks have spared him from such coverage.




And yet some people think that news corporations should have more rights than other corporations and private individuals. 

The press is a pile of shit merchants


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So your evidence that Americans are influenced to like Obama is that the media isn't reporting on the fact that Americans dont like Obama?


I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a shit point.


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The Ecstatic said:
So your evidence that Americans are influenced to like Obama is that the media isn't reporting on the fact that Americans dont like Obama?


I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a shit point.



The media are covering for him and the people still think he is an incompetent boob.  They have been covering for him from the beginning, not doing the work they would have done on any other candidate and especially any other conservative candidate.  The reason it took almost six years is because the media didn't do it's job in the first place. 

But that goes to my point that Citizens United is essential to freedom.  Private citizens in other walks of life other than entertainment and journalism must be free to spend all the money they want to support the ideals and policies they want.  Somebody has to speak out against the lying fucks who call themselves journalists.


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