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How savage were the Native Americans?
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Depending on your source, some portray the natives as peaceful. Others portray the natives as extremely violent

I am not going to disagree at all that post columbian arrival, the natives were violent. But I would be too if 90% of my family was wiped out from disease and enslaved

So my question is:
In pre-columbian times, were native americans war-like or peaceful?

My guess is that there was little reason for war. The land had relatively low population density. And 200 million people sharing the continent I think there was little reason for resource control. The Incans greeted the conquistadors in a friendly manner. As did the mayans. But I think the aztecs did not at all (if  I remember correctly). Taino's were the first natives to greet columbus. Reading columbus' journal reveals they extremely friendly. As with many of Lewis and Clark's journals, there is little conflict (If I remember correctly)

Obviously, war happened. Humans are humans, and they will act accordingly. But were the Natives actively violent and war mongering?

I know there are many posters here with a deep understanding of topics like this. I would like to here your more qualified opinion. All of my knowledge on the topic is derived from liberal/hippie california school system so it could be bias

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: topdog82]
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about as savage as comparably technologically developed civilizations

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: topdog82] * 1
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:shitstorm:

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
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from what my i've heard or read, they were quite peaceful, but then again some were also brutal in their battles. some were, some weren't, overall though it was neutral..

i dont think they were as savage as their successors though..


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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: Peace of Mind 1] * 3
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i'm sure that varies as the term "native americans" covers a large swath of people existing at various times and places.


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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: topdog82] * 4
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They were extremely savage and uncivilized, which is why the settlers needed to reeducate and relocate them for the benefit of all people.


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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: millzy]
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I read that it was certain tribes that were violent, such as in Africa.


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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: zZZz]
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Were they violent and warmongering? What if the chinese came to america and started claiming all the land we've lived on for hundreds of years and killed off our citizens when/if they tried to oppose their take over?

Would that make you feel a bit angry and perhaps want to violently retaliate?

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: Nova]
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Posting for later.

Going to talk to wife, mother and grandmother of Cherokee and Chawkta descent and see what the ladies have to say.

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: topdog82]
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..........There are a shit ton of native american tribes

http://www.native-languages.org/languages.htm

These are just the ones language we know of. To my knowledge North America never had a Native empire that homogenized the culture north of Mexico.

No generalization to be had.

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: Juicin]
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Nova said:
Were they violent and warmongering? What if the chinese came to america and started claiming all the land we've lived on for hundreds of years and killed off our citizens when/if they tried to oppose their take over?

Would that make you feel a bit angry and perhaps want to violently retaliate?


That is why I had specified before columbian arrival

Dystopia said:
Posting for later.

Going to talk to wife, mother and grandmother of Cherokee and Chawkta descent and see what the ladies have to say.


please let me know. I am eager to find out

Juicin said:
..........There are a shit ton of native american tribes

http://www.native-languages.org/languages.htm

These are just the ones language we know of. To my knowledge North America never had a Native empire that homogenized the culture north of Mexico.

No generalization to be had.


I know we cant make generalizations about the entire contient. I studied native americans for multiple papers, and they all come up as fairly peaceful people

Anither bit of evidence, Norse coexisted in Greenland with the native for quite a while

The reason I posted this thread is that it would almost be taboo for someone to criticize natives' culture as they were massacred. I have a profound appreaciation for their culture and religion. But I am yet to objectively understand if they were "violent" or were "savage" in any way
And I feel I can never get an accurate answer because it is a very sensitive topic

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: topdog82]
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Christopher Columbus must have felt they were pretty violent


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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: Franz Kafka] * 2
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Many native american tribes took slaves and fought brutal wars with other tribes. Don't fall for the white guilt crap that only whites were violent.


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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Bingo. Whites aren't the only shitty people on the planet.
Native Americans just get sympathy now because a bigger bully finally came along.


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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: something super extreme]
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:thumbup:


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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: something super extreme]
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Like Palestinians?

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Yeah scalping seemed like it was a really peaceful thing.

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: something super extreme]
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This thread reminds me of how many drunk and crazy natives I ran into last night. Not stereotyping here, they were drunk and crazy and most defiantly native.

A more interesting topic would be to discuss the state of Native culture today.

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
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peace of mind 1 said:
Yeah scalping seemed like it was a really peaceful thing.


The invaders taught them well. Monkey see, monkey do. As far as "savages", a lot of religions believed if the body wasn't dismembered then the soul could return and harm them.

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Re: How savage were the Native Americans? [Re: Adden]
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Dystopia said:
peace of mind 1 said:
Yeah scalping seemed like it was a really peaceful thing.


The invaders taught them well. Monkey see, monkey do. As far as "savages", a lot of religions believed if the body wasn't dismembered then the soul could return and harm them.


Invaders wut the natives scalped and fought wars millenia before the evil whites showed up. :rolleyes:


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