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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: MycoCat]
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The thing is that there are other things that affect potency. If you start with a pure culture that is really rhizomorphic (meaning you grow out many petri plates until you get a really rope looking mycelia) then you take a wedge of that agar and put it into a jar of grain, and then do many grain transfers (the whole time watching which jars grow the fastest and discarding the slow jars), and finally spawn sun-dried cow poo and case when it is fully colonized you get this . If not, you get 6 or 7 mushrooms per cake. The mushrooms in those pics were very potent. Cubensis will grow on a number of grains. But sun dried dung from a large herbivore is superior when it comes to potency. And if you're wondering about casing vs. not casing... the third pic is the same mycelia spwned to the same batch of poop but isn't cased.

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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: cheesenoonions]
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Hahaha, hell yeah, fuck multispore!  That's a nice outcome, tell your friend congratulations.  :grin:


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: cheesenoonions]
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Dear God...

Well I guess that settles whether or not you know what you're talking about.


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: MycoCat]
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In two months you'll sound just like him (this is in no way disrespect cheesenoonions, I'm just saying that people tend to learn quickly once they put their minds to it). It's a big field, but it's more addictive than a meth-burger cigarette....whatever the fuck that is.


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: DiMiTriSouljah]
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Yeah that is also an example of why patching is good. If you patch and put in the extra week you may boost the yield to twice as much. These two trays produced several ounces. Oh no offense taken. My advice is to follow instructions and atleast try as a side project all the agar and cow poo stuff.

Edited by cheesenoonions (10/13/03 03:14 AM)

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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: cheesenoonions]
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Yeah, patching is wonderful. A nice even pinset will really change the outcome.


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: cheesenoonions]
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Yup, I agree completely. Follow the direction to the T for the most part, but have side-projects going on constantly...this way you're still guaranteed to have some harvest, and there's a chance you'll learn a technique to have huuuuge harvests.


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: DiMiTriSouljah]
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I would love to try all different aspects of growing; I enjoy the growing (or right now the thought of growing) more than the thought of the end product. But for right now I just don't have the room.

I completely believe you when you say it's addicting, it has already become so for me.

Thanks to both of you for your advice, without this message board it'd be pretty safe to say I would fail many of my attempts if I didn't have it.

I'm going to attempt to go to bed now, so if anybody else reads this leave your opinion so I'll have something to wake up to tomorrow morning.


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Edited by MycoCat (10/13/03 03:50 AM)

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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: MycoCat]
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MycoCat said:
I know there have been many different posts concerning this, and that is part of my problem. There are so many conflicting views to this question it is hard to decide. So once and for all (though probably not):

Are there potency issues with Brown Rice Flour?

Please post opinions/personal experiences with this as a growing medium. Thanks to everyone.


No. Trust me on this, BRF is plenty potent -- more so than straw, and more than wild shrooms, in most cases. It doesn't get an excellent yield, but unless you're growing for sale, one run of 12 cakes will give you enough for a good long time.

It's also the easiest to use, IMO, and cheap as hell if you grind your own BRF down from BR.

Don't worry about it. Some other substrates might be marginally more potent, but, IMO, it's not worth the trouble. Back when a friend of mine was growing, he got three to four flushes off BRF+Verm, and over an ounce dry. Three grams was Too Much, so this is enough for the better part of a year of even relatively frequent use.


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: MycoCat]
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MycoCat said:
Personally I'm going to go for the BRF cakes, then dunk and case them. Any opinions on that for a first time grow?


For a first time grow, I'd say -- only case half of them. Do dunk them when you first birth them, though, and dunk after every flush. Note that most 'first flushes' go on for a while, and are pretty ragged -- scrape and dunk 'em when they stop making real shrooms, and just put off aborts. I also heartily suggest double-ending them, which is just putting wet verm on top and on the bottom after dunking.



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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: Sev]
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Are you suggesting I only case half of them because of the greater risk of contamination with casing? Or just as a precaution because it's my first time?

And the BRF potency debate continues...


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: MycoCat]
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>Or just as a precaution because it's my first time?

Yes, the later.


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: Anno]
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Why would you say that? Because most first timers make mistakes, or is casing just a little harder?

Thanks.


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: MycoCat]
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a casing is just more prone to contam and it is good to get your feet wet by growing cakes first. doing some cakes and also doing a small casing would not hurt a bit. that way if you lose the casing you still have the cakes to fall back on.

not trying to push you away from casing at all, it is easy. just a little tougher than cakes and you end up with better yield and more potent shrooms if cased correctly.

if you stick with this you shall end up there sooner or later. don't rush things and try a small one and see how it works out.

good luck

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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: jumpship]
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Good advice, I'll take things slow the first time. Thanks.

Anybody else have any more information/opinions about the initial potency question though?

Can't hurt to have more input from those of you experienced in the field.


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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: MycoCat]
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as for the potenty issue, BRF works really good but the produce off of it does not live up to my standards. if it had i would probably still be doing cakes as they are so simple. yet, i wanted to produce better shrooms so i moved on to casing and spawn to poo and such and am now much happier with the results.

some are fine with BRF as you can see from the replies. just did not work out for me.

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Re: The Potency of Brown Rice Flour [Re: jumpship]
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Man, I dunno about anyone else, but all this talk about growing mushrooms, has got me real exciting. MY cakes will be ready to go real soon, and i still can't completely decide which methods I want to try for my first go. I know i will be doing some dunk/rolls, and I think i'm going to try a couple casings, just not sure if I want to bring straw/poo into the picture yet, because I don't want or have room for an elaborate terrarium setup. Sooo, I'll probably stick to the simples for now. Can't wait to get the show on the road =].


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