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OfflineEchoVortex
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Three Easy Pieces
    #1974580 - 10/03/03 12:32 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Three Easy Pieces for Any Decent American??
?
September 15, 2003

There are many otherwise decent Americans who are either still on the fence about George W. Bush or they actually profess to like the man. They are the ones who make up the 58% approval ratings and the 64% who say they still believe the war was a good idea. You know these people well. They work next to you, or they sit in the classroom next to you, or they may even be sitting at your kitchen table right now!

I think that we need to hold out a hand to them, not in a partisan sort of way, and not with any condescension. I think that if we share with them a few pieces of information, and do it with common sense instead of politics, there is a chance we just might break through and turn things around. Perhaps it's my foolish optimism in the goodness that is in every person, and in their ability to ultimately know right from wrong.

I would like to give you three little vignettes to share with them. They are so simple and so shocking in their very content that, if you pass them around the office, the school, the neighborhood or the bedroom, it may just do the trick. Here they are:

1. GEORGE AND LAURA ON 9/11 -- A BARREL OF LAUGHS!

The following is an interview with the First Couple from the current issue of one of my favorite magazines, Ladies Home Journal (Oct. '03). They are asked about what September 11, 2001, was like for them personally, and, although over 3,000 people had just perished, George W. was able to find some humor by the end of that day:

Peggy Noonan (the interviewer): You were separated on September 11th. What was it like when you saw each other again?

Laura Bush: Well, we just hugged. I think there was a certain amount of security in being with each other than being apart.

George W. Bush: But the day ended on a relatively humorous note. The agents said, "you'll be sleeping downstairs. Washington's still a dangerous place." And I said no, I can't sleep down there, the bed didn't look comfortable. I was really tired, Laura was tired, we like our own bed. We like our own routine. You know, kind of a nester. I knew I had to deal with the issue the next day and provide strength and comfort to the country, and so I needed rest in order to be mentally prepared. So I told the agent we're going upstairs, and he reluctantly said okay. Laura wears contacts, and she was sound asleep. Barney was there. And the agent comes running up and says, "We're under attack. We need you downstairs," and so there we go. I'm in my running shorts and my T-shirt, and I'm barefooted. Got the dog in one hand, Laura had a cat, I'm holding Laura --

Laura Bush: I don't have my contacts in , and I'm in my fuzzy house slippers --

George W. Bush: And this guy's out of breath, and we're heading straight down to the basement because there's an incoming unidentified airplane, which is coming toward the White House. Then the guy says it's a friendly airplane.. And we hustle all the way back up stairs and go to bed.

Mrs. Bush: [LAUGHS] And we just lay there thinking about the way we must have looked.

Peggy Noonan (interviewer): So the day starts in tragedy and ends in Marx Brothers.

George W. Bush: THAT'S RIGHT-- WE GOT A LAUGH OUT OF IT!

(end)

Although America had just suffered the worst attack ever on our own soil, somehow this man was able to end his day on a funny note. I wonder how many of the 3,000 families who lost someone earlier that day had a funny ending before they went to sleep? Please read the above exchange aloud to anyone who will listen. It speaks volumes.

2. WE HAVE JUST WRECKED OUR KIDS' FUTURE.

The first paragraph in yesterday's New York Times story on how Bush has taken a record surplus and demolished it into a record deficit was one of the best lead paragraphs I have ever read in a newspaper article.

Here's how it went:

"When President Bush informed the nation last Sunday night that remaining in Iraq next year will cost another $87 billion, many of those who will actually pay that bill were unable to watch. They had already been put to bed by their parents."

Bingo. Gee, I hope the kids thank us some day!

Here's the next paragraph (my emphasis added):

"Administration officials acknowledged the next day that every dollar of that cost will be BORROWED, a loan that economists say will be repaid by the NEXT generation of taxpayers AND THE GENERATION AFTER THAT. The $166 BILLION cost of the work SO FAR in Iraq and Afghanistan, which has stunned many in Washington, will be added to what was already the largest budget deficit the nation has ever known."

Every conservative friend of yours should weep when they read that, and then you should hug them and tell them that it'll be okay, once we all do what we need to do.

3. WHAT WOULD $87 BILLION BUY?

If you can't get through this list without wanting to throw up, I'll understand. But pass it around anyway. This is the nail in the Iraq War's coffin for any sane, thinking individual, regardless of their political stripe (thanks to TomPaine.com and the Center for American Progress)...

To get some perspective, here are some real-life comparisons about what $87 billion means:

$87 Billion Is More Than The Combined Total Of All State Budget Deficits In The United States.

The Bush administration proposed absolutely zero funds to help states deal with these deficits, despite the fact that their tax cuts drove down state revenues. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]

$87 Billion Is Enough To Pay The 3.3 Million People Who Have Lost Jobs Under George W. Bush $26,363 Each!

The unemployment benefits extension passed by Congress at the beginning of this year provides zero benefits to "workers who exhausted their regular, state unemployment benefits and cannot find work." All told, two-thirds of unemployed workers have exhausted their benefits. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]

$87 Billion Is More Than DOUBLE The Total Amount The Government Spends On Homeland Security.

The U.S. spends about $36 billion on homeland security. Yet, Sen. Warren Rudman (R-N.H.) wrote "America will fall approximately $98.4 billion short of meeting critical emergency responder needs" for homeland security without a funding increase. [Source: Council on Foreign Relations]

$87 Billion Is 87 Times The Amount The Federal Government Spends On After School Programs.

George W. Bush proposed a budget that reduces the $1 billion for after-school programs to $600 million -- cutting off about 475,000 children from the program. [Source: The Republican-dominated House Appropriations Committee]

$87 Billion Is More Than 10 Times What The Government Spends On All Environmental Protection.

The Bush administration requested just $7.6 billion for the entire Environmental Protection Agency. This included a 32 percent cut to water quality grants, a 6 percent reduction in enforcement staff, and a 50 percent cut to land acquisition and conservation. [Source: Natural Resources Defense Council]

There you go. In black and white. A few million of you will receive this letter. Please share the above with at least a half-dozen people today and tomorrow. I, like you, do not want to see another approval rating over 50%.

Yours,
Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1974602 - 10/03/03 12:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Although America had just suffered the worst attack ever on our own soil, somehow this man was able to end his day on a funny note. I wonder how many of the 3,000 families who lost someone earlier that day had a funny ending before they went to sleep? Please read the above exchange aloud to anyone who will listen. It speaks volumes.




I don't remember how my day ended that day, but by the end of that week I lost my virginity, and after that I really didn't care much about 9/11.


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1975076 - 10/03/03 05:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Lame


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1975096 - 10/03/03 05:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That was pretty weak and petty.


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1975104 - 10/03/03 06:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Lame




Yes, Tarzan, whatever you say.

Next . . .


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1975105 - 10/03/03 06:06 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
That was pretty weak and petty.




Any Bush lovers out there capable of putting together an argument?


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1975125 - 10/03/03 06:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

EchoVortex said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Lame




Yes, Tarzan, whatever you say.

Next . . .




I wouldn't have thought this necessary.....

Laughter is what gets us through all types of crap. Perhaps you yourself have laughed under circumstances others may find strange.

The deficit as a percentage of the GNP has been higher before.


The 87 billion is better used as slated than to bail out states or people.


It was easier to sum the letter up as lame. Much like your attempted insult.

Both are lame.





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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1975142 - 10/03/03 06:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

As usual, your post adds up to nothing more than an incoherent spewing out of insults and mere opinions unsupported by anything in the way of reason or evidence.



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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1976177 - 10/03/03 02:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think the $87b can be better spent elsewhere, maybe not to "bail out states or people" but there certainly can be better uses for it than bailing out the people of Iraq. and that amount is only meant to cover this coming year. congress has already approved some $80b for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. and of course, we'll be in Iraq for more than one year so we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars in total here. money don't grow on trees - oh wait it does, it grows on a tree called the American Taxpayer.



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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1976420 - 10/03/03 03:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The first thing there, I really have trouble getting angry at Bush about that.

I laughed at some stuff on 9/11 as well. Who fucking cares?


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: Phluck]
    #1976459 - 10/03/03 03:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

$87 Billion Is Enough To Pay The 3.3 Million People Who Have Lost Jobs Under George W. Bush $26,363 Each!

The unemployment benefits extension passed by Congress at the beginning of this year provides zero benefits to "workers who exhausted their regular, state unemployment benefits and cannot find work." All told, two-thirds of unemployed workers have exhausted their benefits. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]

$87 Billion Is More Than DOUBLE The Total Amount The Government Spends On Homeland Security.

The U.S. spends about $36 billion on homeland security. Yet, Sen. Warren Rudman (R-N.H.) wrote "America will fall approximately $98.4 billion short of meeting critical emergency responder needs" for homeland security without a funding increase. [Source: Council on Foreign Relations]

$87 Billion Is 87 Times The Amount The Federal Government Spends On After School Programs.

George W. Bush proposed a budget that reduces the $1 billion for after-school programs to $600 million -- cutting off about 475,000 children from the program. [Source: The Republican-dominated House Appropriations Committee]

$87 Billion Is More Than 10 Times What The Government Spends On All Environmental Protection.

The Bush administration requested just $7.6 billion for the entire Environmental Protection Agency. This included a 32 percent cut to water quality grants, a 6 percent reduction in enforcement staff, and a 50 percent cut to land acquisition and conservation. [Source: Natural Resources Defense Council]


everything else was just cruft.


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1976780 - 10/03/03 05:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

EchoVortex said:
As usual, your post adds up to nothing more than an incoherent spewing out of insults and mere opinions unsupported by anything in the way of reason or evidence.





Perhaps you can point me to whatever I said here that hurt you enough that you considered it an insult?


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1976787 - 10/03/03 05:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

I think the $87b can be better spent elsewhere, maybe not to "bail out states or people" but there certainly can be better uses for it than bailing out the people of Iraq.



True enough, but I'm sure you'll notice I didn't claim using the money in Iraq was the best use of it. Merely a better use.


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: Phluck]
    #1977000 - 10/03/03 06:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Phluck,

You are also not an american, and the president is the supposed leader of the Americans. 3000 of his charge died that day and if I remember correctly on the night of Sept 11th, we had no idea how many had died. I remember hearing news reports of 20K people.. 10K.. It wasnt till a few days later that we settled down to 3K.

I dont think that this is something to nessecarily lambast the man about, but he could have perhaps said something a bit more indicative of the power of the situation. Or, he could have just kept his mouth shut. But making their night into some epic comedy, well... that is just shitty taste. While the rest of us were searching for family members and making sure everyone we knew was safe... I think we would like to think that the President was pretty deep in thought about what to do about the situation.

What about the rest of it in context with this?


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1977013 - 10/03/03 06:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Differnet ppl react different ways...mabye the stress was getting to him, and he snapped that night....that would explain the last two years, hmm.....

"3000 died in his charge"....you say it as if he's the legal guardian of american citizens....shit happens, he can't be held responsible if people in his country die...unless its directly related to his actions.... ie: bush knew.


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1977173 - 10/03/03 07:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

bush knew?


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Re: Three Easy Pieces [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1977199 - 10/03/03 08:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

"3000 died in his charge"....you say it as if he's the legal guardian of american citizens....shit happens, he can't be held responsible if people in his country die...unless its directly related to his actions.... ie: bush knew.




What if it's directly related to his inaction?


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