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InvisibleCow Shit Collector
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Department Of Homeland Security
    #1068563 - 11/20/02 04:01 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

So what do you think about the approvial of this organization?
"The most sweaping overhaul of government security in over 50 years"


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1068941 - 11/20/02 07:52 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

I think we're fucked.


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1068953 - 11/20/02 08:03 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

grap your ankles...


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1068954 - 11/20/02 08:05 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

Do you think that these implementations could effect our peaceful community?


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1068970 - 11/20/02 08:23 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

do you mean the shroomery?

if so i'd say not really.....but i'm not really sure either. all we can do is sit and wait.


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: ]
    #1068982 - 11/20/02 08:31 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

i think its bullshit. supposedly we need this because we are so vulnerable to be attacked by other countries. they want to attack us because they dont believe we should be allowed all of the freedoms we have. but this new bill takes our freedoms away.
we spend what? somewhere around $100 billion on homeland security. if someone really wants to get us, they will. they can slip some deadly disease into our country. a small glass vile of small pox is harder to find and much deadlier than a gun or bomb coming through our airports.
maybe they can pull this off, but its pretty costly, and now isn't a great time to add anymore debt, especially if bush is thinking of going into war.


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: MsPacMan]
    #1069751 - 11/20/02 02:04 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Exactly!


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: MsPacMan]
    #1071407 - 11/20/02 09:17 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

I do not want to live in a society where terrorism is impossible.


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Xibalba]
    #1071641 - 11/20/02 11:04 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

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I do not want to live in a society where terrorism is impossible.




That statement threw me. I haven't heard that before. Think about it. Terrorism is impossible. I looked up the definition of 'terrorism' on www.dictionary.com.

ter?ror?ism

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

So if terrorism is IMPOSSIBLE (can't happen, uh-uh, no way) what if the attack using force or violence against a society or government in the United States, for political reasons is to overthrow our own corrupt government by our own citizens?

Interesting point Xibalba, blew my mind a little at first, more soon after. I'd like to hear some more about this. I'm gonna think on this some more.

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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1072574 - 11/21/02 03:51 AM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Yep. The Department of Homeland Security is definetly a bad thing. It's just concentrating power into fewer hands and now they can do things like read your emails without a court order or warrant. Gives fucked up corporations like Eli-Lilly immunity to lawsuits (in the case of autistic children), and all sorts of generally undesirable things.

The more i learn about my government the more hopeless I feel about it all.

I'm about a 1000 times more afraid of my own government than I am of any terrorist group. Homeland Security my ass!


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InvisibleFrog31337
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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1073501 - 11/21/02 01:07 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Homeland security is in place on paper only.  At the moment they don't have funding  :grin:  When they do get funding ... I don't know.  I MUST believe that my government is doing what is best.  I disagree with a lot of the foreign policy and several domestic issues.  Until flagrant abuses start to occur I will peacefully/quietly live my life as I see fit. 

May the powers that be watch over us all, and I don't mean "big brother".  :frown: 


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1073634 - 11/21/02 01:59 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

In it's most basic form, this is merely a reorganization of government departments and agencies that already exist. Big freakin deal.



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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1074019 - 11/21/02 04:00 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Replace security with the word control then you will have the true.
homeland control. :frown: 


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Frog31337]
    #1074747 - 11/21/02 08:25 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Frog, I have to respond to your post part-by-part dude, don't take it personally.
In reply to:

Homeland security is in place on paper only. At the moment they don't have funding



Funding? They have all the funding they need. Anyone paying 1 penny in taxes is funding the whole thing. You. Me. Everyone.
In reply to:

When they do get funding ... I don't know. I MUST believe that my government is doing what is best.



Why MUST you believe this? Cuz the government and the media tell you. Please wake up.
In reply to:

I disagree with a lot of the foreign policy and several domestic issues. Until flagrant abuses start to occur I will peacefully/quietly live my life as I see fit.



If you disagree with what you've stated, then I don't understand how you can just sit and complacently wait until it's too late to do something about it. 'Flagrant abuses'?? Again, your alarm clock is ringing - coffees on, wakey wakey.
In reply to:

May the powers that be watch over us all, and I don't mean "big brother".



I agree with this, but the Homeland Security Bill will give them the extra boost to do anything they want, legally and freely given to Big Brother by our representatives and ourselves.

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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1074911 - 11/21/02 09:34 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

When America was first founded the few and far between laws sufficed. Time goes on... Population grows exponentially... And now here we are not knowing our heads from our asses about where we are going as a group. I like to think of all life on earth as bacteria in a pitri dish. Its pretty fucked up when someone comes along and tells you you cannot do something and starts hitting you with a billy club and everyone is fine with this because you must be doing something wrong. Similarly when one bacterium starts producing a new anti-biotic to fuck his peers so he can reighn supreme. Once it gets as bad as it can society will begin to revert to more primitive less organized living accompanied by a decrease in population from the fall of the system, and whoever is left will say this is freedom. Gods intent is not to have a bunch of people all doing the same fucking thing as everyone else all the time. If that is what the leaders of this country want I want nothing to do with it. I think it all comes down to your mom, and my mom, and every other bitch who thinks the drug war or whatever means of ensuring the complete sheltering of her little johny is a good idea. Living with a government has its perks that is why we are where we are and its pretty sweet. But basing a country modo off of freedom and then changing that idea without admitting it is pretty pussy and unfair to all of us people who just want it to be left alone.
God Bless all of you who have freed their minds from the belief that we must live for our country...Pamper yourself and live for that purpose only, fuck everone else who does not feel that way.
I was trying to convey some point but oh well. Maybe... cherish those who walk the same path as yourself, and throw rocks at the ones who hinder your progress.


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: BuzzDoctor]
    #1074938 - 11/21/02 09:48 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

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Funding? They have all the funding they need


Congress hasn't finished the 2003 budget. Yes, homeland security is currently in place on paper only. No $$, no work. I realize it is a short while until they do get the cash.

In reply to:

If you disagree with what you've stated, then I don't understand how you can just sit and complacently wait until it's too late to do something about it. 'Flagrant abuses'?? Again, your alarm clock is ringing - coffees on, wakey wakey.


I have written my senator on several occasions, and my congressperson once. I have let my representatives know what I think about Operation TIPS, and the Homeland Security bill. I have done what I can for now, by letting my leaders know what I think and what I think they should do. I could protest, but I don't think that is effective in convincing others. That is why I am now patient.

Do you have any suggestions on other actions that everyone (as active citizens) should do?


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: BuzzDoctor]
    #1074950 - 11/21/02 09:57 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

In reply to:

In reply to:

I MUST believe that my government is doing what is best.


Why MUST you believe this? Cuz the government and the media tell you. Please wake up.




Like I said before. I have taken legal steps to let the representatives know how I feel on the current situations. I will rephrase the above quote. I HOPE that my government is doing what is best.


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Frog31337]
    #1074964 - 11/21/02 10:07 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

I 'hope' they are too. I just don't think that they are.


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1075483 - 11/22/02 01:40 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

this is what i dont get. Americans are scared to death of terrorism now. If a low flying plane flies above my head when i am downtown, i get a little nervous. Right? So now the government is using this homeland security to get more police and army and bag checkers around so we will be protected. I think that the 285 million worried americans will do a much better job watching out for the public's security than 2 million new police and guards.
Now the act is allowing the government to look up any of our transactions, bank withdrawals, emails, posts in forums.....blah blah blah. So if i sent cow shit collector an email saying i have a pound of magic mushrooms, then the cops check me out on the shroomery and see my pics., is that probable cause for them to come in my apartment and bust me? bullshit.


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Re: Department Of Homeland Security [Re: MsPacMan]
    #1076714 - 11/22/02 01:40 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

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So if i sent cow shit collector an email saying i have a pound of magic mushrooms, then the cops check me out on the shroomery and see my pics., is that probable cause for them to come in my apartment and bust me? bullshit.


EXACTLY! I would have no problem with the gov spying on terrorists, but eventually (maybe even from the start) they will use that same power to expand into other areas. The war on drugs would be a prime target. That is what scares the shit outa me.


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