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Invisiblemabus
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Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya
    #2424213 - 03/12/04 03:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm watching c-span2 and they talk about america this and that, and then all of a sudden when the topic changes to protecting america, the name homeland is used, ie., "homeland security", "homeland defense" "homeland budget" and it sounds like they are talking about some country named "homeland" and not america. Do any of you know who started using the name "homeland", or when it started?


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: mabus]
    #2424218 - 03/12/04 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If I had to guess i'd say it was Bush's team, Tom Ridge - First head of homeland security.

It's kind of annoying, sorta like when people call others anti-American because they have different opinions on some topic.


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: mabus]
    #2424320 - 03/12/04 04:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm doing a search to find out about the word homeland, and found this.

http://www.goodknight.org/
Homeland Security Youth Mentoring Coalition
They even get gov grants.


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: mabus]
    #2424419 - 03/12/04 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

When attempting to come up for a new moniker for the base country which would control the new world order, the neocons played with previously used terms such as 'Fatherland' (too much of a racist image, already been used by another fascist regime) and 'Motherland' (too close to 'Mother Russia' and reminiscent of communism). Taking into account the PC climate and in an attempt to cultivate Bush's Texas country boy image, they arrived at a gender neutral and somewhat folksy term, 'Homeland.'


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: Evolving]
    #2424440 - 03/12/04 04:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Evolving said:
When attempting to come up for a new moniker for the base country which would control the new world order, the neocons played with previously used terms such as 'Fatherland' (too much of a racist image, already been used by another fascist regime) and 'Motherland' (too close to 'Mother Russia' and reminiscent of communism).  Taking into account the PC climate and in an attempt to cultivate Bush's Texas country boy image, they arrived at a gender neutral and somewhat folksy term, 'Homeland.'




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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: Evolving]
    #2424633 - 03/12/04 05:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't tell if this is a hypothesis or a documented decision making process...

do tell.


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: afoaf]
    #2424662 - 03/12/04 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A hypothesis.


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: Evolving]
    #2425051 - 03/12/04 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

eerily likely


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: Evolving]
    #2425063 - 03/12/04 08:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Evolving said:
When attempting to come up for a new moniker for the base country which would control the new world order, the neocons played with previously used terms such as 'Fatherland' (too much of a racist image, already been used by another fascist regime) and 'Motherland' (too close to 'Mother Russia' and reminiscent of communism). Taking into account the PC climate and in an attempt to cultivate Bush's Texas country boy image, they arrived at a gender neutral and somewhat folksy term, 'Homeland.'




Could you
1) Remove the foil hat
2) Prove any of this
3) Give a title that you would use that doesn't fit into your feeble, illogical little pattern?


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2425149 - 03/12/04 08:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

TheOneYouKnow said:
Could you
1) Remove the foil hat



I don't wear hats. Could you remove your swastika tattoos?

Quote:

2) Prove any of this



What kind of feeble illogical little mind do you have that you would think I was passing this off as a fact?

Quote:

3) Give a title that you would use that doesn't fit into your feeble, illogical little pattern?



What kind of title are you referring to? What pattern are you referring to?


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: Evolving]
    #2425157 - 03/12/04 08:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Evolving said:
I don't wear hats. Could you remove your swastika tattoos?




I get 15% off admission into the KKK ralleys when I display them, sorry.
Quote:


What kind of feeble illogical little mind do you have that you would think I was passing this off as a fact?




I wish you hadn't edited this post, so people could read you saying that it wasn't being pushed as "the truth".
Quote:


What kind of title are you referring to? What pattern are you referring to?



Are you on something? the fucking word "homeland"? in that "topic" thing... the link you click on from the main PA&L page, you DO read those right?


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2425203 - 03/12/04 09:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

TheOneYouKnow said:
I wish you hadn't edited this post, so people could read you saying that it wasn't being pushed as "the truth".



Huh? I never claimed that what I wrote was a fact. If you're too feeble minded to realize that, it is not my problem but yours.

Quote:

Are you on something? the fucking word "homeland"? in that "topic" thing... the link you click on from the main PA&L page, you DO read those right?



Duh! I was addressing the topic, if you're too feeble minded to realize that, I suggest that you take some remedial reading courses.

Maybe you should lay off the Pabst for a while, or have you been inhaling too many gasoline fumes when you're drenching crosses at the rallies?


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2425244 - 03/12/04 09:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dude, do you honestly believe that terms like that arent made up by some presidential marketing committee which takes great care in selecting the right words to make the right psychological impact?

"I need to raise taxes, but I cant call it that.

How about calling it a 'temporary refund adjustment'?

Brilliant!"

you have a lot to learn about politics, friend.

my recommendation is to go to your nearest library and check out a social psychology text book immeadiately. There, you will find many methods that politicians use to manipulate the opinions of the masses, including the Yale Attitude Change Approach (designed and taught by our current president's alma mater).

This isnt conspiracy theory. Its scientific fact which has been well researched and cleverly employed for years.


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Re: Question on the use of the name "homeland" for ya [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2425302 - 03/12/04 10:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Remember when the Bush administration tried to change the term "suicide bombing" to "homicide bombing"?

Most of the media started using this new, Bushite term, but eventually dropped it. Only Faux News continues to use that term - almost religiously.


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