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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: fapjack] * 3
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fapjack said:
I think we should execute anyone that thinks execution is a good punishment.


Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.

Of course, since you just advocated for a death penalty, that would include you being put to death.

I however, will not advocate death for thoughts... but for actions.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
http://gawker.com/a-letter-from-ray-jasper-who-is-about-to-be-executed-1536073598



Discuss, and remember empathy is putting the shoe on the other foot.


Empathy is putting my foot in your ass.


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
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It is a sign of a merciful society that he will be ended for his transgressions without having to suffer what his victim did.


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:smirk: IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH    :smirk:

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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
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I wonder how his victim felt while his throat was being cut, then being held
down by your assailants to have them finish him off. I bet it was torturous


I knew someone would say this. It is always said.


So does our society take an "eye for an eye" stance?

Are we not better than that? That's what I wonder.

I believe in rehabilitation.



I believe in rehabilitation too but for rehabilitation to begin one must
face the facts of one's guilt, something this man hasnt done, someone that
you've been making excuses for on a heinous crime, something that could
have been a simple theft but turned into a gruesome murder. we put down
animals that bite people and dont kill them, why are we so opposed to
putting down humans that have the capacity and free will to consider the
consequences of their actions


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Asante]
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I actually think giving an 18 year old life is crueler than killing him.  I don't like our government killing people though, but he did some horrible shit so I don't really give a shit if they kill him.  Letter was good until he started with the pants sagging, it went down hill from there.


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I know a guatamalan that can not read or write, his level of education is
below that of a 2nd grader and yet he works hard to provide for his family
and has never once committed a murder. there are many millions of people
with little or no education that havent murdered anyone so why now does this
very 'articulate' murderer get some sort of excuse simply because he has an
8th grade education


Because Jasper is not a Guatemalan man. Jasper is a different man who grew up in a different environment with exposure to different stimuli.

At least that could be taken into consideration, I think.



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why? is it because every 18yo man decides to murder someone and somehow
this case is one of the few ever prosecuted?


I don't know. I am just exploring all the options. Asking all the questions.


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isnt 18 years plenty of time to learn that it's wrong to kill, how many
people have you killed when you were 18, seems there are no 'buts'


Possibly. I am not ruling it out.


How do you feel about rehabilitation and prisoner work programs verses the death penalty?


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
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I know a guatamalan that can not read or write, his level of education is
below that of a 2nd grader and yet he works hard to provide for his family
and has never once committed a murder. there are many millions of people
with little or no education that havent murdered anyone so why now does this
very 'articulate' murderer get some sort of excuse simply because he has an
8th grade education


Because Jasper is not a Guatemalan man. Jasper is a different man who grew up in a different environment with exposure to different stimuli.

At least that could be taken into consideration, I think.


of course, how could one possibly compare the stimili of growing up in a
wealthy country with free education and fuck tons of benefits for the
impoverished and those of certain races to someone that grw up in a country
embroiled in a civil war that lasted most of his life, death squads,
powerful drug cartels and an extremely corrupt government where the poor were slaughtered wholesale

you're right, seems that jasper had it so fucking bad


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why? is it because every 18yo man decides to murder someone and somehow
this case is one of the few ever prosecuted?


I don't know. I am just exploring all the options. Asking all the questions.


here's a question, provided with an answer

Q: why did jasper kill his business partner
A: because he's a a fucking thug trying to live the thug life and wasnt
above killing to steal a few grand in recording equipment to outfit his
own recording studio, after all, murder is easier tan the dissolution
of a partnership

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isnt 18 years plenty of time to learn that it's wrong to kill, how many
people have you killed when you were 18, seems there are no 'buts'


Possibly. I am not ruling it out.


lol... so apparently most 18yo must be killing people for sneakers and shit

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How do you feel about rehabilitation and prisoner work programs verses the death penalty?


most prisoners dont need to worry about the death penalty and those could
be sent out on farms to serve as free/cheap labor but escape should be met
with a bullet in the back but if they work hard then provide them with
$5/day for that labor to use in the commissary and the balance upon their
release, possibly even reducing the sentence for those that make a real
showing, for some that could be a large chunk of cash to get reestablished
with. those under the death penalty shouldnt be out in public but should be
doing 'in house' work, since they arent making license plates they could be
running any sort of machine to manufacture goods that would help them pay
for their lifelong stay in prison and later in life, their geriatric care

the simple rule regarding prisoner work, "if you dont work, you dont eat",
that gives them the choice to work or not, then we wont spend so much on
the penal system, it can become self supporting and provide us with cheep
food and goods while eliminating the reliance on 'migrant workers' and can
teach a trade to those that will be released back into the wild one day


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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You could give the food they produce to people on foodstamps and kill 2 birds with 1 stone.  They could also do construction and a lot of other projects that our government pays out of the ass for.  I don't really believe in forced labor, but people would line up for it if you paid them $5 a day.


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said:
You could give the food they produce to people on foodstamps and kill 2 birds with 1 stone.


not really killing 2 birds unless you're executing a food stamp recipient
with every death row inmate, that' something I could get behind

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They could also do construction and a lot of other projects that our government pays out of the ass for.  I don't really believe in forced labor, but people would line up for it if you paid them $5 a day.



yeah, we need inmates with more dangerous weapons out doing jobs that people
like me were being paid, put them on as laborers humping bricks or vibrating
concrete, maybe but leave the skilled trades to the tradesmen


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Work for the private sector.  Our nations public infrastructure is more important than paying a bunch of degenerate alcoholic laborers inflated wages to do shit almost anyone that can lift 100 lbs can do.  Also the fact that you pay no money in taxes makes me laugh at the other comment.


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said:
Work for the private sector.  Our nations public infrastructure is more important than paying a bunch of degenerate alcoholic laborers inflated wages to do shit almost anyone that can lift 100 lbs can do.  Also the fact that you pay no money in taxes makes me laugh at the other comment.



clearly you should read my post again since you're so clearly in agreement with it


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I dont reread anything.


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: fapjack] * 3
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fapjack said:
I dont reread anything.



it appears you dont actually read anything either


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
s nearly as well as an adult.



or maybe he was an opportunistic parasite that saw a chance to equip his
'new record label' and rap group with free equipment that belonged to
someone else.


is this really why he killed someone? :facepalm: rappers deserve to die just so they can stop using that equipment so badly and making such horrible music with it all.

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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Prisoner#1 said:
or maybe he was an opportunistic parasite that saw a chance to equip his
'new record label' and rap group with free equipment that belonged to
someone else.


is this really why he killed someone? :facepalm: rappers deserve to die just so they can stop using that equipment so badly and making such horrible music with it all.



he wasnt using the equipment, he was stealing it, he was a partner in a
studio with the man that owned the equipment and he wanted it for himself
so his partner couldnt make money off 'his talent'


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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he's nuts.

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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: akira_akuma]
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he's a thug, plan and simple


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Here's how I would deal with violent innate that cannot be rehabilitated.

I would put 20 of them at a time in cell surround an arena, give them each a sword, then opening up the cells. Last guy standing recieves food and water (laced with cyanide; but you don't tell em that)


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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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yeah, only someone really scummy would do this... really makes one wonder if it's even worth... having a Rap career as goal to strive for, if so many idiots are going to kill over what is supposed to be about supposed "empowerment".

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Re: A Letter from Ray Jasper, who is about to be executed. [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Here's how I would deal with violent innate that cannot be rehabilitated.

I would put 20 of them at a time in cell surround an arena, give them each a sword, then opening up the cells. Last guy standing recieves food and water (laced with cyanide; but you don't tell em that)



I donjt understand why you'd make it so easy and painless, I've advocated for
a large, deep pit with no weapons, 1000 men go in, none come out


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