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Obamacare's Latest Waiver - Fixing the Politics for Democrats Facing Tough Election Prospects...
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The Obama administration is preparing to announce a new delay in the health care law's implementation that would allow insurers to continue offering health plans that do not meet ObamaCare's minimum coverage requirements.

President Obama, under pressure over widespread health plan cancellations, offered a solution in November allowing Americans to keep their current insurance policies for another year, even if their plans didn't meet the minimum standards.

The latest delay, expected to be announced as early as next week, would allow insurers to continue selling insurance plans that would otherwise be banned under the law. Fox News has confirmed the extension, first reported by The Hill.

It is unclear how long the extension will be, though one unidentified source told the Hill it could last to the end of Obama's second term, and possibly beyond.

The extension would ease pressure on Democratic candidates in the midterm elections by avoiding another wave of health policy cancellations expected this fall.

"I don’t see how they could have a bunch of these announcements going out in September,” a health insurance industry consultant told The Hill. "Not when they’re trying to defend the Senate and keep their losses at a minimum in the House. This is not something to have out there right before the election."

Separately, Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services Administrator Marilyn Tavenner confirmed Tuesday that the total number of new Medicaid enrollments under ObamaCare is not as high as some have suggested. Though some officials have touted that more than 8 million have signed on, Tavenner acknowledged that between 2.5 million and 3 million are actually new enrollments due to ObamaCare.

In Congress, Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu, who faces a tough re-election fight in Louisiana, has introduced a bill that would force insurance companies to reinstate canceled policies that Obama repeatedly vowed that Americans would be able to keep.

Democrats have struggled to defend the Affordable Care Act, especially vulnerable Senate incumbents whose fate could decide majority control.

Last week, House Republican leaders held a discussion session on putting together a viable alternative to ObamaCare. The session, which produced no legislation, comes in an election year in which the GOP sees the unpopular law as their ticket to political victory in November.

Republicans who have derided Obama's law have voted some 50 times to repeal, gut or change the Affordable Care Act, but they've been unable to unify around a credible alternative.

The House is slated to vote this week on a measure that targets one element of the law, eliminating the penalty for individuals who fail to sign up for health care insurance.

Some insurers, meanwhile, have expressed dismay over the administration's changes to the law since its glitch-ridden rollout in October. One industry executive told The Hill the changing deadlines make it difficult to price health plans.

“These stops and starts make it very difficult because we set rates based on predictive modeling," the executive said. “When you change the rules, it has a detrimental impact on your ability to calculate your risk pool and your prices."

Source: FoxNews
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Obama wouldn't be playing politics with our health care, now would he?


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Re: Obamacare's Latest Waiver - Fixing the Politics for Democrats Facing Tough Election Prospects... [Re: mpd]
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Healthcare should be privatized fully no subsidies no socialism


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http://ace.mu.nu/archives/347608.php
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He'd previously unilaterally, unconstitutionally delayed this mandate until January 15, 2015, in order to keep it from going into effect until after the November midterms. Only later did they realize that a January 15, 2014 date mean that notifications of cancelled plans would be going out October or so, just before the elections.

I remember discussing this on the podcast, and someone saying "This is going to hurt Obama," the notifications going out in October. And I said something like, "Oh that's not going to happen. Steal little, steal big."




Not only are they frauds they are stupid frauds.

Why is Obama fucking all the little people over?  If his health care plan will help so many people why does he keep delaying it?  Doesn't he care about the people?


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Re: Obamacare's Latest Waiver - Fixing the Politics for Democrats Facing Tough Election Prospects... [Re: zappaisgod]
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That's just it.  There will always be an election cycle.  This is like Obama is trying to pick up the clean end of a turd.


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How about universal healthcare? It would reduce the cost of healthcare by a large percentage. The US has the highest cost for healthcare in the world per capita. Clearly your individualistic system is costing a lot more than it should.

Also OP, you gotta stop posting FoxNews stuff. Your credibility goes down every time. Use CNN, ABC, NBC, anything else...


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Government involvement in the healthcare system is what caused the higher costs from the beginning. If free market principles were applied to healthcare it would be cheaper and higher quality.

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Aedan said:
Government involvement in the healthcare system is what caused the higher costs from the beginning. If free market principles were applied to healthcare it would be cheaper and higher quality.


Every other country that has universal healthcare have lower costs than the US. Explain that?


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I just told you government involvement in the healthcare system caused the prices to rise. We used to have the cheapest and highest quality healthcare.

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Patlal said:
How about universal healthcare? It would reduce the cost of healthcare by a large percentage. The US has the highest cost for healthcare in the world per capita. Clearly your individualistic system is costing a lot more than it should.


WE DON'T WANT IT.  Get that through your skull.
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Also OP, you gotta stop posting FoxNews stuff. Your credibility goes down every time. Use CNN, ABC, NBC, anything else...


ABC?  You mean Dan Rather's network?  Or was that CBS?  No matter.

FoxNews is no more biased than anybody you named.  Do you dispute the facts?


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zappaisgod said:
WE DON'T WANT IT.  Get that through your skull


*You don't want it.
It's amusing you say you speak for the majority of the US citizens, when you clearly do not. Look at the results of the last election. The healthcare law was a large election issue.


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Posts like this need to be in political discussion.

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Patlal said:
Aedan said:
Government involvement in the healthcare system is what caused the higher costs from the beginning. If free market principles were applied to healthcare it would be cheaper and higher quality.


Every other country that has universal healthcare have lower costs than the US. Explain that?


Are you paying?  Are you ever going to mind your own business or are you just trying to drag us down to the level of Canada, who's citizens flee to get treatment in the US?


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zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
How about universal healthcare? It would reduce the cost of healthcare by a large percentage. The US has the highest cost for healthcare in the world per capita. Clearly your individualistic system is costing a lot more than it should.


WE DON'T WANT IT.  Get that through your skull.


Yes you do!!! YES YOU DO!!!!



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tymoteusz3 said:
zappaisgod said:
WE DON'T WANT IT.  Get that through your skull


*You don't want it.
It's amusing you say you speak for the majority of the US citizens, when you clearly do not. Look at the results of the last election. The healthcare law was a large election issue.


The threat of Hillarycare cost the Dems the Congress, both sides, for the first time in 50 years in 1994.  Obamacare cost the Dems the House in 2010 and they are running away from it in this cycle. 
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/23/cnn-poll-heath-care-law-support-drops-to-all-time-low/

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165917/majority-say-healthcare-not-gov-responsibility.aspx

The people do not want it.  Another Canadian who knows nothing about America.:picard:

Really, just stop.


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zappaisgod said:
tymoteusz3 said:
zappaisgod said:
WE DON'T WANT IT.  Get that through your skull


*You don't want it.
It's amusing you say you speak for the majority of the US citizens, when you clearly do not. Look at the results of the last election. The healthcare law was a large election issue.


The threat of Hillarycare cost the Dems the Congress, both sides, for the first time in 50 years in 1994.  Obamacare cost the Dems the House in 2010 and they are running away from it in this cycle. 
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/23/cnn-poll-heath-care-law-support-drops-to-all-time-low/

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165917/majority-say-healthcare-not-gov-responsibility.aspx

The people do not want it.  Another Canadian who knows nothing about America.:picard:

Really, just stop.

It looks like a strong majority did want the government to ensure that all citizens had health care right up until Obama's system became an impending reality.  Funny how one person/administration's incompetence can change people's fundamental beliefs about the roll of government.


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Lion said:
zappaisgod said:
tymoteusz3 said:
zappaisgod said:
WE DON'T WANT IT.  Get that through your skull


*You don't want it.
It's amusing you say you speak for the majority of the US citizens, when you clearly do not. Look at the results of the last election. The healthcare law was a large election issue.


The threat of Hillarycare cost the Dems the Congress, both sides, for the first time in 50 years in 1994.  Obamacare cost the Dems the House in 2010 and they are running away from it in this cycle. 
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/23/cnn-poll-heath-care-law-support-drops-to-all-time-low/

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165917/majority-say-healthcare-not-gov-responsibility.aspx

The people do not want it.  Another Canadian who knows nothing about America.:picard:

Really, just stop.

It looks like a strong majority did want the government to ensure that all citizens had health care right up until Obama's system became an impending reality.  Funny how one person/administration's incompetence can change people's fundamental beliefs about the roll of government.


Actually the question asked there was not whether to have national health care.  It was whether it was the federal governments responsibility to make sure Americans had health care coverage, which includes a lot more possibilities than national health care.  In the mid 2000s the pollees probably were thinking of medicare and medicaid, which had been around for some time.

The simple fact of the matter is that the people spoke at the ballot box in 1994 and in 2010 and the Dems are scared shitless of what this will cost them in 2014.


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mpd said:
...Last week, House Republican leaders held a discussion session on putting together a viable alternative to ObamaCare. The session, which produced no legislation...

Republicans who have derided Obama's law have voted some 50 times to repeal, gut or change the Affordable Care Act, but they've been unable to unify around a credible alternative. ... 


Wasn't the ACA signed into law 03/23/2010?  :rules:
I signed up last week and look forward to receiving affordable (practically free) care.:nursegellar:

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Patlal said:...Also OP, you gotta stop posting FoxNews stuff. Your credibility goes down every time. Use CNN, ABC, NBC, anything else...


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Aedan said:
I just told you government involvement in the healthcare system caused the prices to rise. We used to have the cheapest and highest quality healthcare.


"we used to have the cheapest and highest quality healthcare"

When?  1960-70's?

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Let's not forget what the public said at the ballot box of 2012.

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Aedan said:
Government involvement in the healthcare system is what caused the higher costs from the beginning. If free market principles were applied to healthcare it would be cheaper and higher quality.


"If free market principles were applied to healthcare"

That's a big "if", the fact of the matter is there's never going to be "free market" principles in the health care industry, that's theoretical land and nothing more.

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