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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: GnuBobo]
    #5779456 - 06/22/06 03:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That was a damn good tirade.

I liked this line:
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He's got more stilts than a Louisiana coastline holiday house.




Good stuff :thumbup:


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: Konnrade]
    #5779776 - 06/22/06 07:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

fuck em both

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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: daimyo]
    #5779817 - 06/22/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't really get the argument that guns make people safer.

If everyone carried a firearm at all times, would the world be a safer place?

I for one wouldn't feel very safe if everyone in a 50 meter radius had the ability to instantly kill me.


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: Konnrade]
    #5779821 - 06/22/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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That beleif is akin to the schoolchildren in soviet russia who beleived it when they were told that capitalists were evil, selfish pigs that are out to destroy them.




That wasn't true?


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: OJK]
    #5779855 - 06/22/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't really get the argument that guns make people safer.

If everyone carried a firearm at all times, would the world be a safer place?

I for one wouldn't feel very safe if everyone in a 50 meter radius had the ability to instantly kill me.




Awwww but everybody else in the 50 meter radius could kill them as well. Would someone be so quick to mess with you, if he knew you had a gun? and he knew everyone you where with had a gun?


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5779902 - 06/22/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, since mutually assured destruction worked so well for nukes... :rolleyes:


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5779907 - 06/22/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Heh, just brings on a lot of tension - keeps everyone in check. No deaths. We are doomed as a race as long as we let goverments rule over us the way do anyway. SOooooo lets overthrow.


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: redrum187]
    #5779923 - 06/22/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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fuck em both




my stance too, anyone that gets far in politics is a dirty shit ball in some way shape or form


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5779931 - 06/22/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Let's overthrow? Plan?


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5779939 - 06/22/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:
I don't really get the argument that guns make people safer.

If everyone carried a firearm at all times, would the world be a safer place?

I for one wouldn't feel very safe if everyone in a 50 meter radius had the ability to instantly kill me.




Awwww but everybody else in the 50 meter radius could kill them as well. Would someone be so quick to mess with you, if he knew you had a gun? and he knew everyone you where with had a gun?




You really think this makes people safer? You don't think everyone having more or less instant power of life or death over everyone around them at all times is a bad idea?

If people were cold, calculating, logical, intelligent and sensible, the yes, perhaps it would make people safer. Unfortunately, if people were cold, calculating, logical, intelligent and sensible, they wouldn't be people.


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: OJK]
    #5779943 - 06/22/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

But if the people don't have guns, the government would be the only ones. Therefore I support freedom to own guns.


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: daimyo]
    #5779979 - 06/22/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone needs to vote Libertarian if they know what is good for them.


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5779990 - 06/22/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, since mutually assured destruction worked so well for nukes... :rolleyes:




seems that we've mutualy agreed not to exterminate the planet, so aparently the arguement of "an armed society is a polite society" is pretty accurate


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: Silversoul]
    #5780019 - 06/22/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What "rabid attack" are you talking about? While it's true that Democrats generally tend to support gun control more than the Republicans do, I haven't heard any Democrats making a bunch of noise about it lately.



Have you been following it closely? The San Fransisco ban on handguns? The upcoming July 4th "Rally against Freedom", hosted by the UN, paid for by our tax dollars. Those sound pretty rabid to me, really. What news outlets do you watch for 2nd amendment coverage?
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Those that do make it an issue in their campaigns will probably be those whose constituents share their views.



I hope that they all volunteer to be shipped off to a country where our inalienable rights are up for majority vote, because that sure as hell isn't here.


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5780021 - 06/22/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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But if the people don't have guns, the government would be the only ones. Therefore I support freedom to own guns.




But if the people don't have F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighters, the government will be the only ones that have F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighters, so do you support freedom to own F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighters?

Hell, the only people allowed the mainstain stocks of the smallpox toxin are the Center for Disease Control and the Vector Institute. Doesn't that worry you?

How about M1A2 Abrams battle tanks? Mustard gas? Thermonuclear weapons?


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: OJK]
    #5780026 - 06/22/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:
I don't really get the argument that guns make people safer.



Next time you get mugged, ask yourself "Would I be safer if I had a gun to this guys knife?"
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If everyone carried a firearm at all times, would the world be a safer place?



Probably, yes. An armed society is a polite society. In an armed society, people don't jump out of their cars screaming and yelling and beating on your hood because they think you cut them off.
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I for one wouldn't feel very safe if everyone in a 50 meter radius had the ability to instantly kill me.



Do you not think that they do now? Wouldn't you feel safer if you had something to fight back with?


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: OJK]
    #5780033 - 06/22/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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But if the people don't have F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighters, the government will be the only ones that have F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighters, so do you support freedom to own F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighters?



Yes. If someone can afford them, why not? Let me guess, "the children! But what about the children! Some kid could find his daddys AMRAAM missle and hurt himself!"
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Hell, the only people allowed the mainstain stocks of the smallpox toxin are the Center for Disease Control and the Vector Institute. Doesn't that worry you?




Not specifically, no. I think that our founding fathers had the right idea when it came to firearms, each American should be (as part of the unorganized militia) "allowed" to possess the firearms available to the average infantryman. Fully automatic rifles, belt-fed machine guns, large caliber machine guns, I don't see a problem with that. It's our last defense against enemies, foreign and domestic.
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How about M1A2 Abrams battle tanks? Mustard gas? Thermonuclear weapons?



Yes, No, No.


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: OJK]
    #5780039 - 06/22/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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If everyone carried a firearm at all times, would the world be a safer place?





seems to have worked well for Kennesaw Georgia, they passed a law 20 years ago
that required household to own a gun, the crime rate for this rapidly growing
city is well below the national and state averages, violent crimes dropped to
almost nothing for the first 10 years and still remains well below average
today, petty crimes also remain signifigantly lower than the national average


http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Kennesaw&state=GA

a city comparable in size and population that doesnt have the same firearms laws
has a higher crime rate, of course the guns would have nothing to do with that
since the anti-gun experts have said it's not the case, look what happened to
New York and Chicago when firearms were outlawed, crime sky rocketed

http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Rome&state=GA



hasnt there been talks about banning pocket knives and air guns in the UK
because the firearms bans havent signifigantly reduced violent crimes, frankly I
feel much safer when I walk into a McDonalds and see 30 people with side arms
at least I know there wont be another slaughter like in Killean Tx.


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5780048 - 06/22/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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seems to have worked well for Kennesaw Georgia,



No matter where you look at the stats, be it states like Vermont or Alaska with great carry laws or individual cities that recognize that the average American isn't some rube to be controlled, you see less crime. Imagine the bumblefuck that occured in NOLA occuring in New York, where law abiding citizens aren't armed.
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look what happened to
New York and Chicago when firearms were outlawed, crime sky rocketed




And Detroit, and Washington DC.
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hasnt there been talks about banning pocket knives and air guns in the UK because the firearms bans havent signifigantly reduced violent crimes, frankly I feel much safer when I walk into a McDonalds and see 30 people with side arms



Yup, whenever I "make" someone who is concealed carrying, I usually feel much more secure. It's funny how people feel more secure when some policeman is armed, but less secure when their average citizen is armed. I'd honestly trust ex-military guys with firearms more than some pig who has to qualify once a year and who, on average, hits about 1 shot out of 10.


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Re: Why the Democrats STILL Don't Stand A Chance [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5780079 - 06/22/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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seems to have worked well for Kennesaw Georgia,



No matter where you look at the stats, be it states like Vermont or Alaska with great carry laws or individual cities that recognize that the average American isn't some rube to be controlled, you see less crime. Imagine the bumblefuck that occured in NOLA occuring in New York, where law abiding citizens aren't armed.




the stats I linked are for 2 similar cities, theres about 40 miles distance
between them, Kennesaw is closer to atlanta, it's part of the urban sprawl
they have the lowest crime of any city in the 9 county metro area, they should
be higher than rome considereing they have public transportation from atlanta,
their population is 5 times larger now than it was 10 years ago and violent
crimes remain the same as when the laws were passed...

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Yup, whenever I "make" someone who is concealed carrying, I usually feel much more secure.




a group of cops told me they feel more secure when they know people are armed, I
think they were just trying to get out of work


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