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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Synthe]
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Synthe said:
Patlal said:
Personally, I despise the Liberal party of Ontario. It has shown to be the most incompetent party the province ever had and people have been stupid enough to elect them for 12 fucking years in a row.

BUT

I think this is a good idea. Maybe, just maybe, it will make people make healthier choices at the restaurant.

Personally I would want the government to impose a similar law for sodium or even go further as to limit the amount of sodium restaurants can put in their food.

What are you thoughts on this?


Well, I support the idea of calorie and nutrition labeling in restaurants - at least in theory. Society could benefit greatly from being aware before they're about to bite into a 1200 calorie piece of food that they would've otherwise guessed was 600 calories. The only problem is, calories and nutrition varies based on food preparation... especially in diners/small individual restaurants. In franchise chains at least it's more accurate but there is still a surprising range sometimes 20% or more -/+


This is helpful information, though I have to say that there's a big difference between 600 +/- 20% and 1200 +/- 20%. That mean, median, or even honest guesstimate would constitute a big step towards knowing what it is we're putting in out mouths.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Me_Roy]
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Yeah I'd say that seems like a pretty reasonable margin of error.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: psi]
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I didn't read the whole page but, who pays for the nutritional analysis of every dish?  If it's government-mandated for all restaurants, then I'd assume there are government guidelines and the whole bureaucratic stuff going along with it are regulated.  Those regulations impose a lot of problems like...
What allowances are made for restaurants that use seasonal, local ingredients with dishes that are created daily based on what's available and looks best at the markets?
What about variances in portion sizes, substitutions of ingredients, or variances in ingredient calorie density (e.g., one steak contains more fat than another)?  They usually do averages, which means lots of testing of lots of dishes and probably like a huge wait to get a dish nutritionally analyzed, and that's expensive for small restaurants to foot the bill.
What's to stop the slippery slope of first mandating that certain info is listed, then further regulating things like calorie limits, carb limits, etc.?  After all, it's all for public health and no one needs a meal over 800 calories without being taxed extra.
The imposition of nutritional analysis for dishes makes it more costly for entrepreneurs to start a small restaurant and small mom&pop restaurants to stay afloat.  Decreases competition, increases dining costs for consumers, and chain restaurants become the most economic business model for the food industry.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: pwnasaurus]
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pwnasaurus said:
zappaisgod said:
pwnasaurus said:
zappaisgod said:
So?  So many wimps with no balls.  Do you know the best way to avoid catastrophic losses as a young healthy male?  Don't ride a motorcycle.


:lolsy:

You're joking right?  You have a 4x higher chance to be in a collision causing injury on a motorcycle than in a car.  That is not even close to the only thing you need to be specifically concerned about.  There are tons of illnesses that accidents that could easily bankrupt a person without health insurance regardless of age.


http://who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2007/pr17/en/

Road traffic crashes leading cause of death among young people


Ah.  I see you're backpedalling from motorcycles to all traffic incidents now.  Always nice to change your position when you realize actual information doesn't  back up your position.


Not at all
http://motorcycleaccidentlawyerpa.com/motorcycle-vs-car-accident-statistics/

Quote:
In 2010, the federal government estimated that the number of deaths on motorcycles was about 30 times the number of deaths in cars, on a per miles traveled basis.




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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: myc_check1212]
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Patlal said:
I wonder if we should make a list of all the middle eastern people who died at the hands of Us soldiers for being guilty of having oil under there feet.

These thread would be a million pages long.




That list is zero.  Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clear that up.


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
I wonder if we should make a list of all the middle eastern people who died at the hands of Us soldiers for being guilty of having oil under there feet.

These thread would be a million pages long.




That list is zero.  Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clear that up.


:lolsy:

You ignorance is out of this world.

EDIT: I mean WOW. Like there is no word anymore to describe this level of ignrance. Holy shit. Sheer epicness. I bet you think your soldiers are firing blanks and the bombers are dropping duds? Just wow. Its not even funny anymore, this is just sad lol. Wow...


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Edited by Patlal (02/26/14 09:25 AM)

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
I wonder if we should make a list of all the middle eastern people who died at the hands of Us soldiers for being guilty of having oil under there feet.

These thread would be a million pages long.




That list is zero.  Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clear that up.


solid. :thumbup:

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
I wonder if we should make a list of all the middle eastern people who died at the hands of Us soldiers for being guilty of having oil under there feet.

These thread would be a million pages long.




That list is zero.  Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clear that up.


:lolsy:

You ignorance is out of this world.


What oil did we get?


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
I wonder if we should make a list of all the middle eastern people who died at the hands of Us soldiers for being guilty of having oil under there feet.

These thread would be a million pages long.




That list is zero.  Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clear that up.


:lolsy:

You ignorance is out of this world.


What oil did we get?


Really? Now you're trying to avoid the hundreds of thousands dead with the oil argument?

OMG dude. Just wow....


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
I wonder if we should make a list of all the middle eastern people who died at the hands of Us soldiers for being guilty of having oil under there feet.

These thread would be a million pages long.




That list is zero.  Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clear that up.


:lolsy:

You ignorance is out of this world.

EDIT: I mean WOW. Like there is no word anymore to describe this level of ignrance. Holy shit. Sheer epicness. I bet you think your soldiers are firing blanks and the bombers are dropping duds? Just wow. Its not even funny anymore, this is just sad lol. Wow...


Dude, one of the reasons you come off appearing so buffoonish/unknowledgeable is your hyperbole.

No-one was killed for being guilty of having oil beneath their feet.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Read my edit


I did. What oil did we get?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Its a fucking shame you guys are making this about oil... Who gives a fuck if you got any.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENTS DIED BY YOUR HANDS

Do you guys even know the definition of morality? Are you all psychopaths???


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Again with the hyperbole. Is that all you got?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Dude who gives a fuck what the reason was. Hell the CIA itself admitted that the war was declared under false pretext and you STILL continued the attacks.

And you guys are tripping on the details. Where is that oil??? Just OMG. Its obviously for the oil/control of the reason.

You guys are something special.

I'm gonna abandon this thread now because somehow your trying to dismiss the 100000+ innocent casualties with details.


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Details? You claim it was for the oil, yet there was none. Now when asked to show what oil was gained, you scamper off with your tail between your legs.

Good for you. It saves you from further beclowning yourself.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said:
I didn't read the whole page but, who pays for the nutritional analysis of every dish?  If it's government-mandated for all restaurants, then I'd assume there are government guidelines and the whole bureaucratic stuff going along with it are regulated.  Those regulations impose a lot of problems like...
What allowances are made for restaurants that use seasonal, local ingredients with dishes that are created daily based on what's available and looks best at the markets?
What about variances in portion sizes, substitutions of ingredients, or variances in ingredient calorie density (e.g., one steak contains more fat than another)?  They usually do averages, which means lots of testing of lots of dishes and probably like a huge wait to get a dish nutritionally analyzed, and that's expensive for small restaurants to foot the bill.



A set of rough standards. 4 oz. of spinach has x kCal. 4 oz. of ribeye has y kCal. Yes there'd be variance depending on the cut of meat or the origin of the spinach. Who gives a fuck? It wouldn't be a tremendous difference. No need for highly technical analysis -- just tally up the fucking ingredients based on a standard list of values. Any idiot could do this in a couple of minutes for any given dish.

abltsandwich said:
What's to stop the slippery slope of first mandating that certain info is listed, then further regulating things like calorie limits, carb limits, etc.?  After all, it's all for public health and no one needs a meal over 800 calories without being taxed extra.
The imposition of nutritional analysis for dishes makes it more costly for entrepreneurs to start a small restaurant and small mom&pop restaurants to stay afloat.  Decreases competition, increases dining costs for consumers, and chain restaurants become the most economic business model for the food industry.


That doesn't seem like a legitimately slippery slope to me. It's more of a dystopian fantasy.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
What oil did we get?


Really? Now you're trying to avoid the hundreds of thousands dead with the oil argument?

OMG dude. Just wow....


You said this

Patlal said:
I wonder if we should make a list of all the middle eastern people who died at the hands of Us soldiers for being guilty of having oil under there feet.

These thread would be a million pages long.


So what oil did we get?  The US, along with approximately 50 other nations attacked Iraq for invading Kuwait and for failing to abide by the terms of surrender and for sponsoring international and domestic terrorism.  Afghanistan doesn't have shit for oil.  So, since your premise is that we attacked them for oil, what oil did we get?  Should be easy for you.


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Its a fucking shame you guys are making this about oil... Who gives a fuck if you got any.


You made it about oil
Quote:


HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENTS DIED BY YOUR HANDS


Nope.  Most of the civilian deaths are at the hands of our enemies
Quote:
Do you guys even know the definition of morality? Are you all psychopaths???


We are not dupes.


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Dude who gives a fuck what the reason was. Hell the CIA itself admitted that the war was declared under false pretext and you STILL continued the attacks.

And you guys are tripping on the details. Where is that oil??? Just OMG. Its obviously for the oil/control of the reason.

You guys are something special.

I'm gonna abandon this thread now because somehow your trying to dismiss the 100000+ innocent casualties with details.


You said it was about oil.  We don't control shit in the region.  We liberated Kuwait and we liberated the Iraqi people from a vicious thug.  Why do you support Saddam?  Do you miss him?


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: zappaisgod]
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If this entire war would be forgiven completely if you said sorry to a kid who lost his innocent parents due to a US bombing, would you apologize to him?


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Edited by Patlal (02/26/14 10:31 AM)

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