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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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What makes me laugh is when I see a fat person eating a salad in
public and they pretend to eat healthy all the time. I bet you $1000, the
minute they are alone they jump into bags of chips, chocolate, and
cheese faster than any a seagull can pounce on McDonald french fries.

Eating healthy is ok don't get me wrong. But blaming
others for being 400+ pounds doesn't cut it with me.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: spore baby]
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I don't get how a fat person eating salad in public is blaming others for being fat. Or am I missing your point?  :awkwardconfusion:


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: psi]
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psi said:
zappaisgod said:
No, I do not.  Liability is not for your protection.  It is mandated by the state to insure that the damage your 4,000 pound gasoline bomb does to others will be paid for



Let's say I wake up in a hospital after some kind of (non-vehicle) accident, and am told that I owe some outrageous amount of money for services I never had an opportunity to decline. Does the hospital deserve similar assurances that they will get paid even if I can't personally produce the money? If not, why is it different from liabilities I might incur injuring others or damaging property with a vehicle?



You will have several years to pay it off.  Or not.  So what?  Do you think that there is a greater net cost to society for that than allowing motorcycles? 

Do you realize you are making an argument for the government to control every facet of your life?


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
psi said:
zappaisgod said:
No, I do not.  Liability is not for your protection.  It is mandated by the state to insure that the damage your 4,000 pound gasoline bomb does to others will be paid for



Let's say I wake up in a hospital after some kind of (non-vehicle) accident, and am told that I owe some outrageous amount of money for services I never had an opportunity to decline. Does the hospital deserve similar assurances that they will get paid even if I can't personally produce the money? If not, why is it different from liabilities I might incur injuring others or damaging property with a vehicle?



You will have several years to pay it off.  Or not.  So what?  Do you think that there is a greater net cost to society for that than allowing motorcycles? 

Do you realize you are making an argument for the government to control every facet of your life?



I'm doing no such thing, I've just asked you a few questions to try to figure out where you stand on the matter. I'm still not entirely clear on your reasoning. Doesn't "You will have several years to pay it off.  Or not." also apply to the car accident liability? Is the difference that the hospital owed the money is not an individual?

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: pwnasaurus]
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pwnasaurus said:
zappaisgod said:
pwnasaurus said:
psi said:
Regardless of how inexpensive it might be? It's not like "healthy" young males are immune to spectacularly expensive accidental injuries.



QFT.



So?  So many wimps with no balls.  Do you know the best way to avoid catastrophic losses as a young healthy male?  Don't ride a motorcycle.



:lolsy:

You're joking right?  You have a 4x higher chance to be in a collision causing injury on a motorcycle than in a car.  That is not even close to the only thing you need to be specifically concerned about.  There are tons of illnesses that accidents that could easily bankrupt a person without health insurance regardless of age.



http://who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2007/pr17/en/

Road traffic crashes leading cause of death among young people


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: psi]
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psi said:
zappaisgod said:
psi said:
zappaisgod said:
No, I do not.  Liability is not for your protection.  It is mandated by the state to insure that the damage your 4,000 pound gasoline bomb does to others will be paid for



Let's say I wake up in a hospital after some kind of (non-vehicle) accident, and am told that I owe some outrageous amount of money for services I never had an opportunity to decline. Does the hospital deserve similar assurances that they will get paid even if I can't personally produce the money? If not, why is it different from liabilities I might incur injuring others or damaging property with a vehicle?



You will have several years to pay it off.  Or not.  So what?  Do you think that there is a greater net cost to society for that than allowing motorcycles? 

Do you realize you are making an argument for the government to control every facet of your life?



I'm doing no such thing, I've just asked you a few questions to try to figure out where you stand on the matter. I'm still not entirely clear on your reasoning. Doesn't "You will have several years to pay it off.  Or not." also apply to the car accident liability? Is the difference that the hospital owed the money is not an individual?




The liability insurance wouldn't pay for your health care after an accident.  It is to indemnify innocent victims.  Are hospitals innocent victims?  No.  They are forced by the government to care for you.  I would also point out that you are not compelled to own a vehicle.  You can choose not to.  You cannot choose not to have a body.


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Are hospitals innocent victims?  No.  They are forced by the government to care for you.



So they aren't innocent victims of someone's inability to pay what they owe?

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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-is that what they teach you in Canada? Hitler wasn't a threat? He firebomed Coventry,England to the ground; fired the worlds first cruise missiles indiscriminately into civilian areas;fired the worlds first ballistic missiles indiscriminately into civilian areas; had a nuclear program ahead of the allies oh and gassed 6,000,000+ people. You are a fucking idiot

Sure there was that minor event of 911. A few thousand died. To be honest you kinda had it coming, with all the wars you waged against the middle east as a national hobby. You guys built a brand new jet and wanted to play with it, I get that.

-it wasn't just Americans, it was Euro nationals and, wait for it....Canadian nationals. You would spit on the graves of your countrymen? You are pathetic.


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Edited by tymoteusz3 (02/25/14 05:08 PM)

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: myc_check1212]
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do they teach you hyperbole in America? i mean, fuck they gotta...

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: akira_akuma]
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Yeah, hyperbole.

I can't imagine why I was so sensitive to the WTC comment or Hitler wasn't a threat.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: myc_check1212]
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SETTLE DOWN BRO TYMO IS ON THE WARPATH

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: something super extreme]
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:meffz:

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: something super extreme]
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sVs said:
SETTLE DOWN BRO TYMO IS ON THE WARPATH



:ancientaliens:


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Yes this is tymo - I just changed my name

Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to awake from that dream? How would you know the difference between that dream world and the real world?


There is NOTHING better than feeling that warm dissociative fuzz creeping up your body from IM K
Something abut that anaesthetic rush... :inlove:

Qualitative Research Chemical Effects and Experiences
The Wonderful World of Methoxetamine
The 3-Meo-PCP Chapters, Part One

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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you wish that's how you were personified.

:meffz:

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
you wish that's how you were personified.

:meffz:



Haha. His eyes stare into my soul.


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Yes this is tymo - I just changed my name

Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to awake from that dream? How would you know the difference between that dream world and the real world?


There is NOTHING better than feeling that warm dissociative fuzz creeping up your body from IM K
Something abut that anaesthetic rush... :inlove:

Qualitative Research Chemical Effects and Experiences
The Wonderful World of Methoxetamine
The 3-Meo-PCP Chapters, Part One

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: akira_akuma]
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Yeah, the reality is more like

:shitbird: times a million.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
pwnasaurus said:
zappaisgod said:
So?  So many wimps with no balls.  Do you know the best way to avoid catastrophic losses as a young healthy male?  Don't ride a motorcycle.



:lolsy:

You're joking right?  You have a 4x higher chance to be in a collision causing injury on a motorcycle than in a car.  That is not even close to the only thing you need to be specifically concerned about.  There are tons of illnesses that accidents that could easily bankrupt a person without health insurance regardless of age.



http://who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2007/pr17/en/

Road traffic crashes leading cause of death among young people



Ah.  I see you're backpedalling from motorcycles to all traffic incidents now.  Always nice to change your position when you realize actual information doesn't  back up your position.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: something super extreme]
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Patlal said:
Alright dude, listen.

Sure there was that minor event of 911. A few thousand died. To be honest you kinda had it coming, with all the wars you waged against the middle east as a national hobby. You guys built a brand new jet and wanted to play with it, I get that.






Michael Arczynski The 45-year-old was a senior vice-president of Aon Corp.'s Manhattan office. He was a physically active man who moved to New York after nine years in London. He was a well traveled man who said that he had three homes- Montreal, London and Australia. He and his wife Lori had three children. Lori is expecting their fourth in February. Arczynski also leaves three daughters from his first marriage.

Garnet (Ace) Bailey 53 years old, director of pro scouting for the L.A. Kings, a native of Lloydminster, Sask. was aboard United Airlines Flight 175 when it crashed into the World Trade Center. He was a professional hockey player. He played for many teams including the Edmonton Oilers, where he played with Wayne Gretzky. He was nicknamed "Ace" for his skills on the ice. He was starting his 32nd season as a player or scout for the National Hockey League. He is survived by a 22 year old son and his wife Kathy.

David Barkway The 34-year-old executive with BMO Nesbitt Burns in Toronto was visiting a client atop the World Trade Center's north tower when the first plane hit. He sent an electronic message to his Toronto colleagues, saying he was in trouble. Barkway was visiting New York with his pregnant wife, Cindy, for a three-day business trip. The couple has a two-year-old child. He was on the 105th floor when the tragedy took place and tried to contact his office in Toronto for help. 

Ken Basnicki The 47-year-old father of two was in the north tower where he worked. The Toronto native was last heard from at 8:55 a.m. in a cellphone call to his mother from an office on the 106th floor. "He was notifying his mother that the place was full of smoke and he didn't think he'd find a way out," said his brother-in-law Dan Young of Ennismore, Ont. Basnicki was on his first business trip to New York. He was a physically-fit outgoing, fun-loving high-achiever who rode a Harley Davidson. 

Joseph Collison Joseph Collison was born in Toronto in 1951 and moved to New York City more than 10 years ago. He was on he 102nd floor of the north tower, where he worked in the mail room of Kidder, Peabody & Co., said his sister-in-law, Janet Collison. "Joe was so caring," she said from Mississauga, where he was buried next to his parents. "Joe truly was a brother, someone who always stood beside you." Collison, who was not married, was hoping to adopt a young boy in New York that he cared for, said Janet. "Anyone who knew Joe said he was always there for you."

Cynthia Connolly Age: 40. She worked at Aon Corp. She was transferred from the Montreal office to New York in 1999. She loved pets. She had a Airedale-German-Shepherd and a pet cat. She was married to Donald Poissant, whom she wed in Montreal, a year before she left for the US. 

Arron Dack The 39-year-old father of two was attending a conference in the north tower of the World Trade Center when the first plane hit. He called his office just after the impact to say he was alive. Two minutes later, at 8:47, he called his wife Abigail. He was a senior executive with Encompys. Dack was born in England, and grew up in Toronto. He is survived by his wife and two children, Olivia and Carter. 
Michael Egan Age: 51. Worked at Aon Corp. He worked on the 105th floor and had his older sister visiting him for a couple of weeks. Some colleagues of his said that his sister, who also died in the terrorist attack, visited his office so she could gaze over the city from his office. 

Christine Egan The 55-year-old Health Canada nurse epidemiologist from Winnipeg was visiting her younger brother's upper-floor office in the second tower of the World Trade Center. She had come to New York to spend time with him, her sister-in-law and her two teenaged nephews. She was last spotted on the 105th floor, apparently to meet and old college friend. 

Albert William Elmarry The 30-year-old moved from Toronto to the United States in 1999 to work in computer support for Cantor Fitzgerald. He met his wife, Irenie, on a visit to his native Egypt. She is expecting their first child at the end of March. He had worked for IBM Canada, when in Toronto. He was on the 103rd floor when the terrorists attacked. 

Meredith Ewart
and
Peter Feidelberg Ages 29 and 34 respectively. The Montreal couple worked in offices on the World Trade Center's top floors. They worked as consultants for an insurance firm, Aon International. They both got their jobs at Aon International at the same time. They had been married for 18 months.

Alexander Filipov Age: 70. Born in Regina and lived in Concord, Mass. Was on American Airlines Flight 11 when it hit the World Trade Center. Filipov, an electrical engineer, grew up in Windsor and graduated from Queen's University in Kingston, Ont. He was hoping to get home on time for his 44th anniversary in Massachusetts. His wife Loretta felt that he lived a well-rounded life, that included golfing, skiing, and playing music. He even tried bungee jumping at 60. He is survived by three sons, Allan, David and Jeffrey.

Ralph Gerhardt The 34-year-old vice-president with Cantor Fitzgerald, a bond trading firm, called his parents in Toronto just after the first plane hit the north tower. He tried to console his parents during the call telling them not to worry. He also informed them that he was going to find his girlfriend, who worked in the floor below. He has not been heard from since. 

Stuart Lee He had returned only a day before the attacks from his Korean homeland where he had taken his wife, Lynn Udbjorg, to show off his roots. He was on the 103rd floor of 1 World Trade Center, when the tragedy took place. Lee, who would have turned 31 on Wednesday, was vice-president of integrated services for Datasynapse. He spent the last hour of his life e-mailing his company, trying to figure how to get out of the building. 

Mark Ludvigsen Age: 32. Worked at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. He left his native New Brunswick for US, with his parents, when he was seven. He worked on the 89th floor of the south tower of the World Trade Center. He proposed to his wife on a surprise trip to Ireland. He called his parents a few minutes after the attack on the North Tower to console them that he was alright. He told them that they had nothing to worry about since he was on the other wing. He has not been heard from since. 

Bernard Mascarenhas 54 years old, of Newmarket, Ont., worked for Marsh Inc., which had offices at the World Trade Center. He was the chief information officer for the insurance brokerage firm. He was in New York on a five day visit to the technology department of his parent company. Marsh had 1,900 employees in the trade centers of which 295 were killed. He is survived by his wife, Raynette, and a son and daughter, Jaclyn and Sven. 

Colin McArthur Age: 52. Worked as a deputy managing director at Aon Corp. He immigrated to Canada in 1977. He is originally from Glasgow. He married his wife, who also works at Aon Corp., after moving to Montreal. He has been working at the company for over 15 years. 
Michel Pelletier The 36-year-old commodities broker for TradeSpark, a division of trading firm Cantor Fitzgerald, was on the 105th floor of 1 World Trade Center. He called his wife, Sophie, and calmly told her he was trapped in the building and that he loved her. She was dropping their two-year-old daughter at her first day of school. He is survived by a three-month-old son and their two-year-old daughter.

Donald Robson 52, raised in Toronto, was a partner and bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 103rd floor of the north tower of the World Trade Center. He had spent the last two decades in New York. He was also present in the 1993 tower bombing, according to his wife. He is survived by two sons, Geoff and Scott. 

Ruffino (Roy) Santos Age: 37. Worked at Guy Carpenter as a computer consultant. He was leaving the company to work for Accenture a week later. He is a native of Manila, who moved to British Columbia in the 1980's. He later moved to New York, five years ago. 
Vladimir Tomasevic 36, of Toronto, vice-president of software development for Optus e-biz solutions. Was attending conference on 106th floor of World Trade Center's north tower. Originally from Yugoslavia, he immigrated to Canada in 1994. "He was my best friend and a part of him will always be with me" commented his wife to Maclean's magazine.

Chantal Vincelli Age: 38. She was a marketing assistant for Data Synapse Inc. Her biggest dream in life was to be a New Yorker. "She loved the hustle and bustle, the atmosphere, the go-getters", said her brother. She has been working in New York for five years. On the day of the attacks, Vincelli was setting up a kiosk at a trade show. 

Deborah Lynn Williams  Age: 35. Williams, whose maiden name was Robinson, worked for the global insurer, Aon Corp., for 15 years. She and her husband, Darren, moved to Hoboken, N.J., after being transferred to New York City by their employer. Williams, a Montreal native, gave birth to their only child six months after settling in Hoboken. 

Frank Joseph Doyle Foreign Affairs also listed a "25th victim" because of his deep Canadian roots. Thirty-nine-year-old Frank Joseph Doyle was married to Kimmie Chedel of St. Sauveur, Que. He also leaves two children. All of his relatives live in the Ottawa Valley. Doyle, an executive vice-president of Keefe Bruyette and Woods, had a home in Ste. Adele, Que.

LeRoy Holmer  Canadian Connection: LeRoy Homer, 36, was the co-pilot of United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania after being taken over by hijackers. Homer was an American citizen, but his wife Melodie Thorpe was Canadian, having grown up in Hamilton, Ont. Family say Homer always knew he wanted to be a pilot. The couple, who lived in Marlton, N.J., have a young daughter. Homer previously served with the US air force in Desert Shield, Desert Storm and in Somolia. 

Jane Beatty Canadian Connection: Jane Beatty, age: 53, Worked at Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc. She was originally from Britain and lived in Ontario for 20 years before moving to the United states. She was on the 96th floor of the North tower, when the terrorists attacked. She had survived five years with breast cancer. She celebrated the occasion just three weeks before her death. She called her husband, Bob, at 8:45, a couple of minutes before the terrorist attack.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: myc_check1212]
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huh?


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Yes this is tymo - I just changed my name

Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to awake from that dream? How would you know the difference between that dream world and the real world?


There is NOTHING better than feeling that warm dissociative fuzz creeping up your body from IM K
Something abut that anaesthetic rush... :inlove:

Qualitative Research Chemical Effects and Experiences
The Wonderful World of Methoxetamine
The 3-Meo-PCP Chapters, Part One

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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Canadians who died in WTC I guess.

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