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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Freedom dies a little every time you post.


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: NotTheDevil]
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Why even bother with car insurance either, chances are you'll (eventually) be able to pay off any liability debts you might incur from collisions. Unless you're a shitty driver or just have bad luck, then you should definitely get it.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
Canadians do not have the same devout inclinations for freedom and prosperity that Americans do.

con


No they don't.  That is clear


The question is, why do you put so much value on freedom?


why don't you?

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
tymoteusz3 said:
I believe this is also called "slipper slope" and is a logical fallacy.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope



so many people do this, in academic sciences to politics and religion. it's just the norm around here... frankly, i don't blame Zappa for having such an extremest point of view, because he's (along with everyone else) continuously bombarded with retorts and proclamations about facetious (alot of the time) arguments and he's either a: sick to death of it and throws up his arms in the slippery slope or b: has to explain what maybe has a bit of truth to it to a bunch of rambling fools, what seems to be over and over and over again while never gaining any ground.

same goes with everyone here. :facepalm: the internet.


I am sure he can take the time to construct a well thought argument.
Just because "other people" do it doesn't change anything. It just means they are ignorant.
As zappa says he is smart, I would expect him to construct arguments that are not riddled with logical fallacies and fear mongering in an attempt to prove his point. It does injustice to his point.


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Yes this is tymo - I just changed my name

Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to awake from that dream? How would you know the difference between that dream world and the real world?


There is NOTHING better than feeling that warm dissociative fuzz creeping up your body from IM K
Something abut that anaesthetic rush... :inlove:

Qualitative Research Chemical Effects and Experiences
The Wonderful World of Methoxetamine
The 3-Meo-PCP Chapters, Part One

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Me_Roy]
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Me_Roy said:
Americans love having the freedom to smoke cigarettes, shoot guns, get fat, believe in the flat Earth, handle snakes, and do other awesome shit.

They also like imagining themselves independent while representing a bloated 300# burden on the public health systen

This is what makes our country great. Back off.


the reason being because America had a real justifiable and coordinated attempt to be Free and they were... and everyone else wanted in as their political and cultural structures started falling to the ground. :shrug:

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: myc_check1212]
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myc_check1212 said:
Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
Canadians do not have the same devout inclinations for freedom and prosperity that Americans do.

con


No they don't.  That is clear


The question is, why do you put so much value on freedom?


why don't you?


Because I have it and I've moved on to better things. I'm not battling to keep it, Its an acquired perk and its here to stay. I don't make a big deal about it anymore.


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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tymoteusz3 said:
akira_akuma said:
tymoteusz3 said:
I believe this is also called "slipper slope" and is a logical fallacy.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope



so many people do this, in academic sciences to politics and religion. it's just the norm around here... frankly, i don't blame Zappa for having such an extremest point of view, because he's (along with everyone else) continuously bombarded with retorts and proclamations about facetious (alot of the time) arguments and he's either a: sick to death of it and throws up his arms in the slippery slope or b: has to explain what maybe has a bit of truth to it to a bunch of rambling fools, what seems to be over and over and over again while never gaining any ground.

same goes with everyone here. :facepalm: the internet.


I am sure he can take the time to construct a well thought argument.
Just because "other people" do it doesn't change anything. It just means they are ignorant.
As zappa says he is smart, I would expect him to construct arguments that are not riddled with logical fallacies and fear mongering in an attempt to prove his point. It does injustice to his point.


see here is the problem with your prognosis.

NO ONE can be completely right about ANYTHING; and with having to argue your positions on things all the fucking time here (whether they are true, faulty, WHATEVER the point is...) one will eventually start finding holes even in their own arguments because they have to keep repeating themselves and RE-ITERATING points constantly to keep up with the "demand"; and if you backtrack and say you made a mistake, you just get judged unfit to make any more arguments. :shrug:

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
see here is the problem with your prognosis.

NO ONE can be completely right about ANYTHING; and with having to argue your positions on things all the fucking time here (whether they are true, faulty, WHATEVER the point is...) one will eventually start finding holes even in their own arguments because they have to keep repeating themselves and RE-ITERATING points constantly to keep up with the "demand"; and if you backtrack and say you made a mistake, you just get judged unfit to make any more arguments. :shrug:


Just stop. You are rambling without making any sense.
Re-read what you wrote and try to come up with a better answer.

The logical fallacy has been a recurring theme of all arguments in an attempt to fearmonger and change the argument. It's not a one time occurrence. I really have no idea what you are trying to say though.


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Yes this is tymo - I just changed my name

Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to awake from that dream? How would you know the difference between that dream world and the real world?


There is NOTHING better than feeling that warm dissociative fuzz creeping up your body from IM K
Something abut that anaesthetic rush... :inlove:

Qualitative Research Chemical Effects and Experiences
The Wonderful World of Methoxetamine
The 3-Meo-PCP Chapters, Part One

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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I'm not going to read all the replies.


I just wanted to say, Ontario's Libs are retarded. :ducklol:



I guess the calorie count could be useful. I don't give a shit either way.


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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tymoteusz3 said:
akira_akuma said:
see here is the problem with your prognosis.

NO ONE can be completely right about ANYTHING; and with having to argue your positions on things all the fucking time here (whether they are true, faulty, WHATEVER the point is...) one will eventually start finding holes even in their own arguments because they have to keep repeating themselves and RE-ITERATING points constantly to keep up with the "demand"; and if you backtrack and say you made a mistake, you just get judged unfit to make any more arguments. :shrug:


Just stop. You are rambling without making any sense.
Re-read what you wrote and try to come up with a better answer.




um, no, that's ok. i'm not trying to answer anything anyways, and because you're confused doesn't mean what i wrote doesn't make any sense. wow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_Trilemma
Quote:
I really have no idea what you are trying to say though


clearly, so why are you telling me to shut up, essentially?


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Me_Roy]
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Me_Roy said:
EdibleStereos said:
Whoever came up with this idea must be used to only going to crappy chain restaurants.

How the hell am I supposed to know the calorie content of new daily menu items?


As a restauranteur? You'd ask the chef what goes into the new dish, take out a calculator, and come up with a figure.

If you can keep books you can surely accomplish this. If you have passed the sixth grade you can surely accomplish this.


That's not how it works, every different cooking process changes the number of calories.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: PurpleOwl]
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akira_akuma said:
clearly, so why are you telling me to shut up, essentially?


No I am asking you to write whatever point you were trying to make in a more concise manner. Are you drunk?

PurpleOwl said:
I'm not going to read all the replies.


I just wanted to say, Ontario's Libs are retarded. :ducklol:



I guess the calorie count could be useful. I don't give a shit either way.


Ha.
The unfortunate thing is the PC party of Ontario are even worse, I do not trust Hudak at all. Especially considering he just flipped on an issue he made a core defining issue of his platform (unions).


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Yes this is tymo - I just changed my name

Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to awake from that dream? How would you know the difference between that dream world and the real world?


There is NOTHING better than feeling that warm dissociative fuzz creeping up your body from IM K
Something abut that anaesthetic rush... :inlove:

Qualitative Research Chemical Effects and Experiences
The Wonderful World of Methoxetamine
The 3-Meo-PCP Chapters, Part One

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Me_Roy] * 2
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Me_Roy said:
EdibleStereos said:
Whoever came up with this idea must be used to only going to crappy chain restaurants.

How the hell am I supposed to know the calorie content of new daily menu items?


As a restauranteur? You'd ask the chef what goes into the new dish, take out a calculator, and come up with a figure.

If you can keep books you can surely accomplish this. If you have passed the sixth grade you can surely accomplish this.


Have you worked in the industry?

I'd think not, or you would realize how absurd that statement is.

Just a salad can have 20+ ingredients including protein, various lettuce/veg and house-made dressing ingredients.

Try figuring it out for yourself. It isnt easy.

Chefs/cooks already have little to none downtime during a shift. They dont have time to be calculating every little ingredient that goes in to a daily menu/feature.

This would kill the privately owned restaurant market.

But most people think every restaurant is a corporate chain like applebees and shit.

EDIT: As my view, and the few of many chefs, if you dont like the food we serve. Go somewhere else. Nobody is forcing you to eat here.

Edited by EdibleStereos (02/25/14 03:23 PM)

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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tymoteusz3 said:
akira_akuma said:
clearly, so why are you telling me to shut up, essentially?


No I am asking you to write whatever point you were trying to make in a more concise manner. Are you drunk?




no, i'm not. i'm telling you why eventual arguments will always have a circular reasoning or slippery slope, and/or an infinite regress. if YOU'D read my post again, maybe more carefully, you'd see that i was using Zappa as an example of this.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: EdibleStereos]
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EdibleStereos said:
Me_Roy said:
EdibleStereos said:
Whoever came up with this idea must be used to only going to crappy chain restaurants.

How the hell am I supposed to know the calorie content of new daily menu items?


As a restauranteur? You'd ask the chef what goes into the new dish, take out a calculator, and come up with a figure.

If you can keep books you can surely accomplish this. If you have passed the sixth grade you can surely accomplish this.


Have you worked in the industry?

I'd think not, or you would realize how absurd that statement is.

Just a salad can have 20+ ingredients including protein, various lettuce/veg and house-made dressing ingredients.

Try figuring it out for yourself. It isnt easy.

Chefs/cooks already have little to none downtime during a shift. They dont have time to be calculating every little ingredient that goes in to a daily menu/feature.

This would kill the privately owned restaurant market.

But most people think every restaurant is a corporate chain like applebees and shit.


That's why it's only for large corporate chains (this law).
Though to get calorie counts they do a calorimetry test - not tabulate the ingredients manually.


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Yes this is tymo - I just changed my name

Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to awake from that dream? How would you know the difference between that dream world and the real world?


There is NOTHING better than feeling that warm dissociative fuzz creeping up your body from IM K
Something abut that anaesthetic rush... :inlove:

Qualitative Research Chemical Effects and Experiences
The Wonderful World of Methoxetamine
The 3-Meo-PCP Chapters, Part One

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 1
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tymoteusz3 said:
Ha.
The unfortunate thing is the PC party of Ontario are even worse, I do not trust Hudak at all. Especially considering he just flipped on an issue he made a core defining issue of his platform (unions).


I honestly hate our politicians (except Fordsie). Can't wait to get out of here lol.



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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: PurpleOwl]
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akira_akuma said:
tymoteusz3 said:
akira_akuma said:
clearly, so why are you telling me to shut up, essentially?


No I am asking you to write whatever point you were trying to make in a more concise manner. Are you drunk?




no, i'm not. i'm telling you why eventual arguments will always have a circular reasoning or slippery slope, and/or an infinite regress. if YOU'D read my post again, maybe more carefully, you'd see that i was using Zappa as an example of this.



No eventually arguments will not have slippery slope fallacies unless the author intentionally puts them in to incite fear mongering to make people think his argument is right. Read up that link on what the slippery slope fallacy is.
PurpleOwl said:
tymoteusz3 said:
Ha.
The unfortunate thing is the PC party of Ontario are even worse, I do not trust Hudak at all. Especially considering he just flipped on an issue he made a core defining issue of his platform (unions).


I honestly hate our politicians (except Fordsie). Can't wait to get out of here lol.




Haha Ford is a dumbass.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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tymoteusz3 said:
EdibleStereos said:
Me_Roy said:
EdibleStereos said:
Whoever came up with this idea must be used to only going to crappy chain restaurants.

How the hell am I supposed to know the calorie content of new daily menu items?


As a restauranteur? You'd ask the chef what goes into the new dish, take out a calculator, and come up with a figure.

If you can keep books you can surely accomplish this. If you have passed the sixth grade you can surely accomplish this.


Have you worked in the industry?

I'd think not, or you would realize how absurd that statement is.

Just a salad can have 20+ ingredients including protein, various lettuce/veg and house-made dressing ingredients.

Try figuring it out for yourself. It isnt easy.

Chefs/cooks already have little to none downtime during a shift. They dont have time to be calculating every little ingredient that goes in to a daily menu/feature.

This would kill the privately owned restaurant market.

But most people think every restaurant is a corporate chain like applebees and shit.


That's why it's only for large corporate chains (this law).
Though to get calorie counts they do a calorimetry test - not tabulate the ingredients manually.


Ah, my bad. Didnt see that in Pat's post.

I have no issue with that. Corporate chains have the funds, and more importantly a standardized menu, where something like this could be feasibly implemented.

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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
The question is, why do you put so much value on freedom?


That is all that matters.  Unless you are a Borg.  Are you a Borg?  You and Timmeh sound like one.


No its not all that matters. There are so many more aspects of life. Freedom is a great perk, but you seem to emphasize it so fucking much that you are willing to make irrational decisions to keep every single aspect of it imaginable even if it means killing yourself.

Freedom is cool I'll give you that, but no its not everything... You've been drinking the US government's koolaid for too long.


The US government wants to take my freedom.  What the fuck are you talking about?

It is not an irrational decision for a healthy young male to choose not to buy health insurance.  It is irrational for him to do so.  No balls no glory.  A healthy young male's money is far better allocated elsewhere


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Re: Ontario Liberals want to force restaurant to write down the calorie count next to the price [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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tymoteusz3 said:
Haha Ford is a dumbass.



Agreed. He just makes me laugh.


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