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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante] * 1
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Classic conspiracy theorist tactic.  You really are a piece of work Wiccan...

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: DieCommie]
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OK, enough personal insult, its been fun.


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante] * 1
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
OK, enough personal insult, its been fun.


Fun shitting on somebody just because they want to read a book on the big bang?  Maybe fun for you, I saw it as rude and unhelpful.

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian] * 1
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Our Mathematical Universe by Max Tegmark.  Just came out.  I recommend it highly.  Lots on the Big Bang and especially the cosmic microwave background.  Talks a lot about the multiverse too, which is always fun.


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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DividedQuantum said:
Our Mathematical Universe by Max Tegmark.  Just came out.  I recommend it highly.  Lots on the Big Bang and especially the cosmic microwave background.  Talks a lot about the multiverse too, which is always fun.


Thanks, that is what I'm looking for. I just don't like the $22 price tag.

EDIT: I bought it. Will arrive on Wednesday.

Edited by Confucian (02/24/14 12:56 PM)

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian] * 1
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Check out your library.

Otherwise, I recommend this site:
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Deal Oz is a metasearch engine.  It will search many places to find the cheapest price.  I used it a lot for textbooks, but regular books are on there too.

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian] * 1
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Confucian said:
Wiccan_Seeker said:
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From my understanding none of the fundamental forces of nature as we know them were in play during the big bang because of the enormous energy of it.


They were 10 sec to 20min after the bang when nucleosynthesis had produced all those baryons.. and that conveniently light years away and inexplicably cooled down to prevent mass creation of heavy elements.



All Physics breaks down at the Planck wall, .00000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of a second after the Big Bang...




Thats quite the copout, so are you saying the universe was magic for one brief moment in time?

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Wiccan_Seeker said:
OK, enough personal insult, its been fun.


Fun shitting on somebody just because they want to read a book on the big bang?  Maybe fun for you, I saw it as rude and unhelpful.


calling someone a crackpot is pretty rude too, ya know...

anyways, the big bang makes perfect sense to me in terms of the history of the universe, but like any physics theory i believe consciousness plays an inherent role, and that it makes more sense if you posit consciousness/being as the starting ground for the big bang. Sat/Chit/Ananda as the Hindus would say (being/consciousness/bliss). In the beginning there was only Brahma. And Brahma (the cosmic self) equals Atma (the self). This certainly makes more sense to me than to try to explain the universe as being grounded in math or an unliving law, that makes it sound inherently abstract when reality itself is anything but abstract...

It's so simple, you just take science how it already is but view it through the lense of it all happening in the mind of God, who is you at a certain level. Very elegant, allows everything and more to be possible and isn't in discord with modern science. The universe is God is consciousness.


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian] * 1
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There is a memory I have intact where my old science teacher suggested I take a peak inside a book. Its a rare book that has a limited amount of copies it prints. The first year of its official release it printed less than 500 copies, and the majority of them were purchased by publishers searching for a new science related book. It combines certain forms of fiction with science so that it gives one the impression they are cruising through this Sci Fi world where reality clashes with dreams.

Its hard to say what opinion I have formed as to what its content signifies, when I first got the book I was still attending a Christian church school & I didn't have much time to finish it. I only got a few pages in before I had to return back to my studies. I do recall that the author took out some parts of the book before it reached the version its at now. His wife suggested he add new content into it, however he was firm in his resolution to keep it to the amount it already contained. His publish just got off the phone with him before he has to present a introduction speech to give people a taste of what its about. Just a short preview before the real thing appears on the market. Apparently he is planning on editing some of the early parts & put in events in the future which hadn't occurred yet in the beginning pages of the book. I remember this was the book I kept on me while I was on the train hoping that we get to our destination sooner. I was heading for a comedy show in London & I wasn't going to wait for the book to be published, I already had word that a sophomore in my biology class would have a new book for me. He told me all about this book at this picnic. It was a small event with rarely anyone attendant. There were actually noone else around us in the park, just him & I hoping more people join us here. His wife brought him a comfy blanket to relax while we intended to wait together. He had a professional producer remind him that he has to gather the results to the attendance rate of our last show. We always had to have someone with a clipboard to record how many people were there. We would count them all up & make a prediction as to whether future shows would have more people or not. There was an announcement about my next show coming faster than planned, and I heard it right as my excellent tea party ended last week. We had a blowout, so very many people came. It was the best event of the month, and people wanted to come back for more. I remember we were all talking about all the fun we'd have next time and how we only wanted it here sooner. They'd been coming to my tea parties for years so it was nothing new. Last month we had a tea party not nearly as entertaining, but this one fulfilled all our hopes as to what a tea party should be.


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Dawks]
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Dawks said:
akira_akuma said:
this ill-logic is ineptitude at it's finest... yeah... lets find evidence of something we can't possibly find evidence for.


There is an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting the big bang theory, it is no mere physicists folly. Using the model of the big bang theory you can make predictions, predictions of things that have no yet been proven such as the existence of the CMB or higgs boson and then years later have those predictions proven to be true. If the big bang theory were merely another creation myth then why does experimental research continue to support it a little bit more each day?

akira_akuma said:
seriously are you people asking for evidence of absence


Forgive me but I don't recall every asking anyone for evidence of absence? Exactly what are you proposing is absent?


akira_akuma said:
and still able to call Wiccan a dumb stoner? really? wow


Wiccan_Seeker is undoubtedly my favorite shroomery member. He has made and continues to make me feel welcome in this community and it is often joy to read  his posts, I have much love for him.

That doesn't mean he knows shit about physics.

Believing Wiccan_Seeker to be infallible just because of how damn chill and friendly he is or even if he is knowledgeable in other areas is a fallacy known as Argument from authority


dude, i'm glad you took my apparent goading in stride, and i like your posts as well because you state your opinions and aren't afraid to be wrong... but with that said, in this post, you aren't telling me ANYTHING i don't already know. when i said to you "absence of evidence" i wasn't asking YOU for evidence of such... i was saying to expect any evidence of such is impossible, just like expecting there to EVER be a complete model of the universe circa the beginning of time. EVER.

you can see new things... you can make predictions that are correlative in physics with the properties of the Big Bang... but you nor anyone will ever find the actual "causes" of said Big Bang. i believe Wiccan just thought about this shit, and read about this shit, and came to the conclusion he has come to BECAUSE he believes that there is no possible way to summarize the Big Bang into theoretic model using ANY of the techniques and knowhow that we have garnered even today... and that in the future, these same alleyways (so to speak) will be fraught with unknowingness and hypotheticals.

and i think i can see why, but hey... i am never going to say "hey just stop trying" cause why would i want that? first off, it's what alot of people really love to do on this planet... and secondly, I CAN JUST NEVER KNOW, myself... so of course i vouch for finding an accurate model of the universe's origins, and i say "Hey, we've got alot of good shit so far" even if i can't understand it all... i'd love for people to teach me things and open my mind to these possibilities... but i won't say that just because i don't understand the ins-and-outs of physics (which was one of the things is was most interested in grade school; Astrophysics and space exploration) that i shouldn't think about and refine my ideas about the Big Bang nor not argue for their validity... eh?

to put it bluntly
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There is an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting the big bang theory


yes there is; tons in fact... but none of which SHOWS the Big Bang and in effect, none of which shows us whether our collective analysis isn't "faulty to a T" or whether "our predictions are correct".

what i hate is when people like Confucius angrily dismisses people and calls them stupid and asks them to drop what they're doing and get a PHD just because they're upset that not everyone acts the way he does, nor gives him only the answers that he wants to be read.

this is a public forum, and opinions are allowed to be shared; if one doesn't like it, one can put one on ignore. (basically, he got ONE yes ONE answer from someone and BOOM that was satisfactory... to me, it's almost like he didn't need to really make a thread; especially if he was going to insult anyone with opinions aside from his own: AND THAT was mainly what i was making reference to in this thread)

Edited by akira_akuma (02/24/14 08:45 PM)

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: g00ru]
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g00ru said:
check out a brief history of time by stephen hawking :grin: dat book changed my lyfe



I was going to recommend the same book!

and its such an easy read too.

dude is so smart.:ohboyohboyohboy:


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante] * 1
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They honestly call redshift quantization coincidental?!  coincidental, as in this defining feature of the redshift effect is nothing more then mere coincidence, like running into an old friend moments after thinking of them?

"no really its nothing, trust us. Nothing at all."



What a fuckin joke. I have no idea how this has been suppressed so well. So effectively. I guess it has something or another to do with a perceived superiority because of the apparent understanding it gives its adherents. Like they really know whats going on. Like there arnt glaring inconsistencies in their unquestionably correct thoeries, not with holding the clause of "in the event of future discoveries"

What a woefully ignorant religion.

Edited by Bodhi of Ankou (02/28/14 04:19 AM)

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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"a universe from nothing"**

by dr krauss . hes like a great physicist

he had a youtube video with richard dawkins. its 2 hours long live getting questions from the audience and going over the topic..

its a beautiful video. i want to read the book. watch this.



Edited by Endure (02/28/14 06:40 AM)

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Endure]
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I would suggest A Brief History of time by Hawking, or A Universe From Nothing by Krauss.

Also, while not specifically about the big bang, I would also suggest Why Does E=mc^2 by Cox.

All are well written and extremely informative. I think Krauss' book is one of the best in my opinion.


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian] * 2
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The band wagon logic in this thread is telling, dogma.

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Repertoire89]
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If I offended anyone inb the course of this heated discussion I apologize :hug:


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Endure]
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Endure said:
"a universe from nothing"**

by dr krauss . hes like a great physicist



Funny you mention that because I went to the library for my next books and I got "A Universe from Nothing" and "Kepler's Witch".

Kepler's Witch is more about his life and the 30 Years War (8 million dead over religious/political fighting in 1600s). Did not read this one yet...

I zipped through "A Universe from Nothing" in 2 days, but I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as "Big Bang".

...I don't have a science background at all and I feel Krauss's book was for someone that had at least a couple Physics classes under their belt. It was easy to read, but it was one of those books where I knock out 50 pages and am like, "What did I just read?"

I enjoyed the first couple chapters where he talked about other scientists lives (for example, Einstein).

He stressed over and over throughout the book that the universe is flat and that all the energy, when added up, is equivalent to zero. But I couldn't reexplain why that is!

...Anyhow, I picked up Brian Greene's "Fabric of the Cosmos", which is ranked 4.5 stars on Amazon, and I am 3 chapters in.

Gonna finish that first (library book) and then go on to "Our Mathematical Universe". I also have "Cosmos" by Neil Tyson, which has been collecting dust for the last year.

Here is a short video on Max Tegmark (author of My Mathematical Universe):


Edited by Confucian (02/28/14 10:35 AM)

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Confucian said:
Wiccan_Seeker said:
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From my understanding none of the fundamental forces of nature as we know them were in play during the big bang because of the enormous energy of it.


They were 10 sec to 20min after the bang when nucleosynthesis had produced all those baryons.. and that conveniently light years away and inexplicably cooled down to prevent mass creation of heavy elements.



All Physics breaks down at the Planck wall, .00000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of a second after the Big Bang...




Thats quite the copout, so are you saying the universe was magic for one brief moment in time?


I'm saying that noone in this thread is qualified to talk about the Big Bang. It requires a lifetime of study. If you just get the basic principles behind the theory then you're not qualified. If you couldn't walk into Harvard's Department of Mathematics and substitute teach every single class then you have no business trying to show how the Big Bang is incorrect. If you guys are so smart then put your ideas into the language of mathematics! Take as much time as you need!

Your guys questions are not profound whatsoever. It's like learning how to say your name and where you live in Mandarin Chinese, and then thinking you are qualified to fly out to Beijing and lecture some native Mandarin majors about how to properly speak their own native tongue.

It is ludicrous. And pathetic.

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian]
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I'm saying that noone in this thread is qualified to talk about the Big Bang.


I think I'm qualified to talk about it.  I'm not a world class expert, but I have a couple degrees in physics and taught astronomy at the university while in grad school.

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian]
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Confucian said:
I'm saying that noone in this thread is qualified to talk about the Big Bang. It requires a lifetime of study.


That's convenient, which priest do you recommend we take discourse from?

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