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Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe?
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Not much of a reader, the majority of science-related books are extremely boring imo. However, I zipped through this book in 3 days. FIVE HUNDRED PAGES! That is not exactly normal for me at all, so ya, it was very good.

Anything else out there?

http://www.amazon.com/Big-Bang-Origin-Universe-P-S/dp/0007162219/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1393165405&sr=1-1&keywords=big+bang

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian]
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Simon Singh is supposed to be a good writer. He seems very down to earth, yet a total geek.



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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: koods]
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You could read up on other controversial cosmological models like geocentrism :cookiemonster:


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante] * 4
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If you are ready to believe the universe sprang forth from smaller than a pinhead out of nothing at all with no mass at speeds bazillions of times the speed of light initially, then suddenly attained mass and slowed the fuck down to an almost standstill without being ripped to shreds, then speeding up again and all because 95% of the so called mass of the universe is unseen and unaccounted for, might I interest you in a Bible, Qu'ran or Bhagavad Gita? They got all that with human elements spanning thousands of years blended in to epic storylines that are thought provoking too.


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante]
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This one seems nice



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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante] * 1
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
If you are ready to believe the universe sprang forth from smaller than a pinhead out of nothing at all with no mass at speeds bazillions of times the speed of light initially, then suddenly attained mass and slowed the fuck down to an almost standstill without being ripped to shreds, then speeding up again and all because 95% of the so called mass of the universe is unseen and unaccounted for, might I interest you in a Bible, Qu'ran or Bhagavad Gita? They got all that with human elements spanning thousands of years blended in to epic storylines that are thought provoking too.


Sounds like you understand neither the big bang nor fundamental principles of modern physics. Just because you do not understand something does not make it any less correct.

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] * 2
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They are finding stars in our stellar neighborhood all the time that predate the alleged big bang.  Then they doctor the numbers to adjust the interpretation of the age of the star to the very minimum plausible from their findings and the big bang is safe once more.

Example is what happened with the dating of HD 140283 aka the Methuselah Star just 190 lightyears away.

If you're young you'll probably see the big bang theory debunked or cast in an entirely new light within your lifetime.

Big bang skepticism is pushed into the fringe now but it will become evermore prominent and harder to ignore.


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
If you are ready to believe the universe sprang forth from smaller than a pinhead out of nothing at all with no mass at speeds bazillions of times the speed of light initially, then suddenly attained mass and slowed the fuck down to an almost standstill without being ripped to shreds, then speeding up again and all because 95% of the so called mass of the universe is unseen and unaccounted for, might I interest you in a Bible, Qu'ran or Bhagavad Gita? They got all that with human elements spanning thousands of years blended in to epic storylines that are thought provoking too.


Wow. You clearly know nothing about nucleosynthesis, Big Bang nucleosynthesis, the Cosmic Microwave Background, Recombination, etc.

You win for the most ignorant comment of the year.

There are things called observations and there are things called predictions.

For example, Hubble showed that the universe did not just consist of our Milky Way galaxy. He spotted another galaxy (M31, commonly known as the Andromeda Galaxy), and showed, based on Doppler effect, that other galaxies were redshifting and blueshifting, ie they were either coming towards our galaxy or expanding away. But almost all appeared to be moving away.

Then Hubble's law showed that the distance was directly proportional to the speed at which they retreated. IE if a galaxy is 2x farther away then it is moving 2x faster. If it is 10x farther away it is moving at a speed 10x faster. This implies that said galaxy was closer yesterday than today. And even closer still 10,000 years ago than yesterday. And that if you keep going back in time all galaxies are on top of each other at a single point, a singularity.

Other famous mathemiticians and scientists showed that if the Big Bang were true, you'd have 90% Hydrogen atoms spread throughout the universe, and 9% Helium atoms. You do the study, and lo and behold you get exactly that.

Other geniuses in the 1940s showed that after ~300,000 years after the moment of creation (Big Bang) you'd find that there would be fluctuations in the density of space, every where you looked. There would be radiation spread out throughout the universe. Yet none could be found...Whoops! As technology improved the radio telescope was invented, the Nobel prize winners found that in 1960s everywhere they pointed the radio telescope they'd detected the radio waves. But they were all identical, no fluctuations. Then after decades of research and gathering data over and over they had the same result. There must be fluctuations but maybe the equiptment was not sensitive enough. On a variation of 1 in 100 parts it's the same. 1 in 1000 parts sensitivity of the radio waves it is the same. Maybe the Big Bang is wrong?? Finally (in the early 90s) they put a space craft outside of our atmosphere where we detected slight variations in the wavelengths (on a scale of 1 in 100,000 parts difference) everywhere they looked, precisely as predicted. This spacecraft of course took MANY YEARS of gathering their evidence, with 100s of MILLIONS of observations, before announcing their findings.

If the Big Bang were true then young galaxies would only be found extremely far away. If the competing Steady State model (they competed for a good 50 or 60 years) were true then you'd find baby galaxies spread out randomly with no order, because they thought the universe was eternal with no moment of creation. Guess who was right?

I think I'll side with Einstein and the 100s of other geniuses that contributed to our understanding of the universe over your delusional beliefs.

Edited by Confucian (02/23/14 11:27 AM)

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] * 3
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:mindblown: < how it really happened

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian] * 1
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I hope they taught you more than the big bang theory Confucian.


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
They are finding stars in our stellar neighborhood all the time that predate the alleged big bang.  Then they doctor the numbers to adjust the interpretation of the age of the star to the very minimum plausible from their findings and the big bang is safe once more.

Example is what happened with the dating of HD 140283 aka the Methuselah Star just 190 lightyears away.

If you're young you'll probably see the big bang theory debunked or cast in an entirely new light within your lifetime.

Big bang skepticism is pushed into the fringe now but it will become evermore prominent and harder to ignore.


I believe the Big Bang to be correct in the sense that 19th century physicists believed Newtonian mechanics to be true. However, what you said was completely ignorant and your disbelief of the Big Bang is based on nonsense. I suspect your claim about stars being older than the big bang is also junk and a talking point of skeptics you stole. Unless you provide legitimate evidence, you give me zero confidence anything you say is the least bit factual.

Edited by ohcrapitsnico (02/23/14 11:29 AM)

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
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:goodluckwiththat:


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
If you are ready to believe the universe sprang forth from smaller than a pinhead out of nothing at all with no mass at speeds bazillions of times the speed of light initially, then suddenly attained mass and slowed the fuck down to an almost standstill without being ripped to shreds, then speeding up again and all because 95% of the so called mass of the universe is unseen and unaccounted for, might I interest you in a Bible, Qu'ran or Bhagavad Gita? They got all that with human elements spanning thousands of years blended in to epic storylines that are thought provoking too.


"slowed the fuck down to an almost standstill"

I never heard of any description claiming this happened after the big bang.

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
They are finding stars in our stellar neighborhood all the time that predate the alleged big bang.



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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian]
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YOU GET NOTHING.

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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian]
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check out a brief history of time by stephen hawking :grin: dat book changed my lyfe


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: qman]
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qman said:
"slowed the fuck down to an almost standstill"

I never heard of any description claiming this happened after the big bang.



Since you are polite about it, if the universe functioned like it does now mere seconds after the big bang, it would have had to travel at bazillions times the speed of light to escape its own gravity well, which measures lightyears across.

Wiki?

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Primordial nucleosynthesis is believed by most cosmologists to have taken place from 10 seconds to 20 minutes after the Big Bang, and is calculated to be responsible for the formation of most of the universe's helium as isotope He-4, along with small amounts of deuterium (H-2 or D), the helium isotope He-3, and a very small amount of the lithium isotope Li-7. In addition to these stable nuclei, two unstable or radioactive isotopes were also produced: tritium or H-3; and beryllium-7 (Be-7); but these unstable isotopes later decayed into He-3 and Li-7, as above.


10 seconds to 20 minutes after the big bang we have our primordial atoms. The temperature and density of the universe at that time is way beyond a supernova so it would have formed heavy elements up the wazoo (but didnt) and unless we accept that the matter moved at a bazillion times the speed of light those atoms are still well within the gravity well of the universe, which measures lightyears across, so it would have all collapsed back in on itself.

My guess is Jesus.  Jesus made the matter move faster than light and not clutter up into heavy elements.

Do you have a better explanation than Jesus breaking the laws of physics when they are in full swing across the universe?

I do: it never happened. We're in an eternal universe and the big bang is an illusion.

Our space is not the empty space of the mathematician, theres gravity permeating almost all of it. That alone would cause a red shift, wouldnt it? :cookiemonster:


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Confucian]
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Confucian said:
Wiccan_Seeker said:
They are finding stars in our stellar neighborhood all the time that predate the alleged big bang.






I thought you liked to read? New converts are the worst. You didnt google the star name HD 140283 I gave you. You didnt even wiki it. Instead you made an image macro to state your disbelief rather then look into the information I presented. OK, let me wiki it for you:

The Methuselah Star

Yes if you cook the books to the maximum extent then this star fits your model. And words have been eaten and recalculations reinterpreted until they got it right. You can trace the internet history surrounding the dating of that star.  Please do, you'll see the scientific orthodoxy sweep inconvenient findings under the rug.

Thats just one star, in our immediate neigborhood.


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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
This one seems nice




this reminds me of that EPIC youtube channel, Hot for Words



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Re: Can you recommend a book on The Big Bang model of the universe? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
10 seconds to 20 minutes after the big bang we have our primordial atoms. The temperature and density of the universe at that time is way beyond a supernova so it would have formed heavy elements up the wazoo (but didnt) and unless we accept that the matter moved at a bazillion times the speed of light those atoms are still well within the gravity well of the universe, which measures lightyears across, so it would have all collapsed back in on itself.


So basically there are 2 possibilities.

1) You are both the greatest 20th and 21st century icon in the world of Physics. You destroy everyone that has ever came before you. Screw Newton/Einstein - you are the greatest Physicist ever to live. Your breakthroughs and discoveries will shake academia to their very core. You will go down as one of the top geniuses ever to live on the planet, for millennia to come. Books will be written about you. Classrooms will discuss your scientific breakthroughs. You have overturned 2500 years of astronomy in the making.

2) You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and would be the laughing stock of the scientific community for centuries to come if they were to hear your ideas...you'd be the biggest joke they've ever come across.

They wouldn't even talk to you because you are so beneath them. Your mind is so weak and incabable of comprehending the concepts at play. They'd tell you to go back to a high school classroom environment. They'd examine your mathematical skills and inform you that their pre-school children are leaps and bounds ahead of you.

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