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OfflineJacquesCousteau
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ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach.
    #3397239 - 11/23/04 08:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey all... I am thinking about getting a puppy, but when we had dogs at my parents' house (when I lived there) they were raised very improperly.. they were good dogs, didn't bite and loved us very much.. but they were rambunctious and would jump on people and not come when called, etc...

Basically, I want to know how to train a dog without having to be "strict" with it.. not that "strict" is necessarily bad, and I understand the need for it in moderation in order to train any animal, but I am just looking for a compromise between the two extremes.

I want my relationship with the dog to be more balanced... and yet still have enough control over him to make sure he doesn't run out into the street in front of oncoming traffic when. Know what I'm saying? a sort of happy balance between the "strict" approach and the "do whatever you want!" approach.

Any recommendations on books to read?


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3397258 - 11/23/04 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think you'll have way more and better replies in the Pub so I'm moving it there :thumbup:

make sure to post pics whan you get that puppy :laugh:


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: stefan]
    #3397355 - 11/23/04 09:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks Stefan, you are probably right... I posted it while at work and was in a hurry, so "literature" seemed the prominent choice. hehe.


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3401034 - 11/24/04 12:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't answer your question but I was shocked when I say the post by you in here!

Now I see why but hope all is well anyway! :smile:


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3401039 - 11/24/04 12:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'll stick this for you till you get a reply.


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3401089 - 11/24/04 12:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would check out "How Dogs Think: Understanding the Canine Mind" by Stanley Coren. It really helped me find the right approach for training my Labrodor.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...ks&n=507846


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: Ripple]
    #3401100 - 11/24/04 12:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

patience... when they are young they do not listen at all. but just stay consistent and the dog will get it after awhile.


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3401524 - 11/24/04 02:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you get a dog Consider regular obediance training at a club. You'll find one in your area and the people who run these clubs know dogs better than anyone.

Many clubs now premote 'positive training' over more conventional methods such as using a choker chain.

Reading books on dog training will help but for the best results you cant go past learning with your dog from people who live dogs.


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: Hanky]
    #3402647 - 11/24/04 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cool.. dogs are the best !

Puppy classes are a good idea !

But pick your breed very carefully !!! don't buy the first dog that licks your face... what ever you do.

Do you live in the country? city? apt? your own house? fenced yard or not ?

I have a Samoyed, look them up. VERY active breed, i've been unable to really tire her out in 3 years of trying !... lovable, intelligent, but must be kept on leash or in fenced yard, no matter how much training you provide.

Shepherds on the other hand, will usually stay by your side from instinct, and are relatively easy to train..

the breed will be a big factor in your ability to hae the dog you expect to have.

check google for dog training, breed info, etc.. alot of info online.

Good luck !


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: PooPs]
    #3402767 - 11/24/04 10:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Dog-Perfect by Sarah Hodgson is a great book. Very positive!  Have fun with your new puppy! :laugh:


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: Ripple]
    #3403105 - 11/24/04 12:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ripple, good to hear from you man! And thanks a lot for stickying it, I appreciate it!

Hanky, we took my golden retriever to puppy kindergarten when she was little, and they basically taught her to act good for food. So if you don't have food, she doesn't care and won't listen to you. She's a huge pain in the ass, too..

So I would probably not go to a class, just from my experience with them... however, I am willing to acknowledge that there are different classes with different styles. (I guess we picked the wrong one back then)

PooPs: I live in an apartment.. no fenced in yard available, so the dog will have to be walked on a leash.

I do realize the importance of breeds... I had an english setter and a golden retriever for the last several years, and I loved the english setter to death. (no pun intended :\ ) He was very selfless and loved everyone so much. Not very trained, but it didn't matter. He just did as he pleased, basically. (Which was usually either chasing bugs in the yard or exchanging affection with humans) He loved to be outside, though, so I definitely wouldn't get another one while living in an apartment.

I was thinking some sort of small breed, since it would be more apartment-friendly.


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3403908 - 11/24/04 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No sweat, glad i could help a bit. :cool:


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: Ripple]
    #3404999 - 11/24/04 06:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

there are a few schools of dog training which believe that positive reinforcement is all that is needed for your dog to obey you. no matter which route you take i would highly recommend an obedience school to aid the dog's socialization as far as other dogs go.


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: llamaherder]
    #3405329 - 11/24/04 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

^^^^^^ what he said,and i dont just mean puppy school.


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: Hanky]
    #3405606 - 11/24/04 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

my mother works for the humane society, and is a huge animal lover... i asked her to make any recommendations, and she gave me the two following titles:

The Dog Listener - Learn How To Communicate With Your Dog For Willing Cooperation by Jan Fennell

The Dog Whisperer - A Compassionate, Nonviolent Approach to Dog Training by Paul Owens

Hope it helps!


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3406576 - 11/25/04 01:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A book I cannot reccommend highly enough is Pam Dennisons - An idiots guide to positive training.

It is very easy to follow and teaches you about clicker training, food training etc.

Food training is a good start with a puppy but you must remember to phase it out. You also need to vary your rewards.

Puppy kinder uses food as at puppy age there is not alot else a pup will respond to.

Mainstream obedience is a great thing to get into also. You must remember that ALL dogs need socialisation - little dogs included. Little dogs often have 'little mans syndrome' where they will be quite fiesty and yap and have a go at other dogs. Many owners of little dogs brush this off as of the size of the dog. However - this sort of behaviour in any breed is unacceptable. Another benefit is that at an obedience school you get many diff instructors who have diff teaching methods to get your dog to do each exercise.

I've been involved in dog obedience since I was 12 (I'm now 27) and have used many different methods. I find that positive reinforcement is the most productive.

If you need more info - feel free to PM me. I also know of obedience people world wide so if need be I can put you in contact with someone who can reccommend a good place for you to start.

Good luck.


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: Grizz]
    #3407378 - 11/25/04 08:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Check out Weiner dogs they're kinda cool.

Don't get a russel terrier. .. . cute, but nuts, and territorial.

The food thing is a means to an end, in the beginning it was SIT.. treat.. runrun. SIT , treat..

now.. it's

sit. up, down, roll, up, sit, down, spin left, right left, shake paw, TREAT, up down .. ... ...

I can litterally make my dog do tricks for 10 minutes non-stop without a single treat and she'll do it very willingly !.. she's now almost 3 years old.







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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: PooPs]
    #3407400 - 11/25/04 09:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The Accidental Tourist by Anne Tyler

Sorry, only book I know with anything about dog training in it.


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3407668 - 11/25/04 12:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Great book that got recommended by a breeder:  The Art of Raising a Puppy

its by these monks who raise money for their monestary by training dogs and obviously do so in pretty compassionate ways.  its a great book, look into it  :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: ISO: Book recommendations for puppy training with a loving approach. [Re: Tao]
    #3407725 - 11/25/04 12:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I heard about that book.. Enlightened monks who train German Shephards. What a beautiful life. :heart:

Jacques, I have no book to offer, but I one thing I can say is:

The best thing to do to your Dog is: Love it.

The best thing to train your Dog with is: Love.







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