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Re: Frown Beams [Re: monoamine]
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Zionism? Don't you think that can be let go now, especially considering Israel has been an official country for damn near 60 years? I agree that the extremists on both sides are bad. I do think the Israelis in general get a bad rap compared to the Palestinians though.

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Re: Frown Beams [Re: shakta]
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Zionism is far from dead.

How do you figure the Israelis are getting a bad rap but the Palenstinians aren't?

They even changed the name of suicide bombings in the media to "homicide bombings". What the hell is that all about? Most bombings are "homicide bombings".


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Re: Frown Beams [Re: monoamine]
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Simple. The Israelis are defending themselves, while the fanatical Palestinians are not. They want to kill Jews to kill Jews. This poor little defense stuff is crap. They want the Jews dead.

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Re: Frown Beams [Re: shakta]
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^^^Bullshit


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: Frown Beams [Re: silversoul7]
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No it is not. Israel actually goes after terrorists while the terrorists target civillians purposefully. You are wrong.

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Re: Frown Beams [Re: shakta]
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The Palestinians are defending themselves from the Iraelis taking their land. Are you going to argue that the white Europeans were merely "defending" themselves from the Native Americans?


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Re: Frown Beams [Re: silversoul7]
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Why are the Israelis in the occupied territories, or are you proclaiming all of the land should be given to the Arabs?

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Re: Frown Beams [Re: monoamine]
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monoamine writes:

Maybe if the Palenstinians were armed to the teeth by the U.S. like Israel,they wouldn't have to resort to suicide bombings and things of that nature.

Awwww....

Could we please just once have a thread which someone doesn't derail? This isn't about Israel and Palestine, this is about the UN's deadly frown beams.

Less suicide bomber talk, more frown beam talk, please.

pinky


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Re: Frown Beams [Re: shakta]
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I'm not saying all the land should be given to the Arabs, but I do think the Israelis should stop encroaching on Palestinian territory. The Israelis have enough land, but they keep wanting more, and their only justification for it is that "God gave us this land." It's bullshit.


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Re: Frown Beams [Re: silversoul7]
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I'm serious. You guys wanna talk about Palestinians, find another thread. There's only about three hundred and fifty of them to choose from, after all.

Knock it off.

pinky


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Re: Frown Beams [Re: Phred]
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Everything in politics is conncected. I see what you're saying,but it's hard or damn near impossible to stay exactly on topic all the time.


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People think that if you just say the word "hallucinations" it explains everything you want it to explain and eventually whatever it is you can't explain will just go away.It's just a word,it doesn't explain anything...
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Re: Frown Beams [Re: monoamine]
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monoamine said:
Everything in politics is conncected. I see what you're saying,but it's hard or damn near impossible to stay exactly on topic all the time.



And as anyone who watched the 2000 debates can see, no one has more trouble with that than the politicians themselves.


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Re: Frown Beams [Re: Phred]
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Lileks rules. Sometimes he is guest host when Hugh Hewitt is on vacation.

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Re: Frown Beams [Re: shakta]
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If a group of people wants to kill you, you don't try to reason with them, or ignore them and hope they will go away. You kill them first




But what if your just paranoid and you are killing people who dont want to kill you? Once you start doing that though you can be sure people will want to start killing you, and all your paranoid fantasies come true.
Its this sort of logic that leads to ideas such as Its a good idea to kill Arafat because he is an obstacle to peace. Hmmm..we want peace, so lets start killing people! Fucking genius.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Arabs have been intentionally targeting civillians since the beginning of the whole damn conflict. When they all attacked Israel in '48 they had every intention of killing every last Jew in the region.




I mean where do these fucking Arabs get off? Its not like they had just been turfed off land they had lived on for generations to make way for a country they hadnt even agreed to. Oh hold on, thats exactly what happened.
You make it sound like the Jews were blameless. What about Deir Yassin? The attrocities there took place in April of 1948.


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Early in the morning of Friday, April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun, headed by Menachem Begin, and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. It was several weeks before the end of the British Mandate. The village lay outside of the area that the United Nations recommended be included in a future Jewish State. Deir Yassin had a peaceful reputation and was even said by a Jewish newspaper to have driven out some Arab militants. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and one plan, kept secret until years afterwards, called for it to be destroyed and the residents evacuated to make way for a small airfield that would supply the beleaguered Jewish residents of Jerusalem.

By noon over 100 people, half of them women and children, had been systematically murdered. Four commandos died at the hands of resisting Palestinians using old Mausers and muskets. Twenty-five male villagers were loaded into trucks, paraded through the Zakhron Yosef quarter in Jerusalem, and then taken to a stone quarry along the road between Givat Shaul and Deir Yassin and shot to death. The remaining residents were driven to Arab East Jerusalem.





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The massacre of Palestinians at Deir Yassin is one of the most significant events in 20th-century Palestinian and Israeli history. This is not because of its size or its brutality, but because it stands as the starkest early warning of a calculated depopulation of over 400 Arab villages and cities and the expulsion of over 700,000 Palestinian inhabitants to make room for survivors of the Holocaust and other Jews from the rest of the world.







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Re: Frown Beams [Re: GazzBut]
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I am going to respect Mark's wishes for this thread. Gazz if you want to discuss killing to your enemies in another thread I will.

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