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Obama worked with terrorist
    #8069428 - 02/25/08 05:44 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57231

February 24,

JERUSALEM – The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe" and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens.

The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.

In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi's wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.

Obama served on the Wood's Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.

Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to Obama's senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s. He is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

The $40,000 grant from Obama's Woods Fund to the AAAN constituted about a fifth of the Arab group's reported grants for 2001, according to tax filings obtained by WND. The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 also constituted about one-fifth of AAAN's reported grants for that year.

The AAAN, headquartered in the heart of Chicago's Palestinian immigrant community, describes itself as working to "empower Chicago-area Arab immigrants and Arab Americans through the combined strategies of community organizing, advocacy, education and social services, leadership development, and forging productive relationships with other communities."

It reportedly has worked on projects with the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, which supports open boarders and education for illegal aliens.

The AAAN in 2005 sent a letter to New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson in which it called a billboard opposing a North Carolina-New Mexico joint initiative to deny driver's licenses to illegal aliens a "bigoted attack on Arabs and Muslims."

Speakers at AAAN dinners and events routinely have taken an anti-Israel line.

The group co-sponsored a Palestinian art exhibit, titled, "The Subject of Palestine," that featured works related to what some Palestinians call the "Nakba" or "catastrophe" of Israel's founding in 1948.

According to the widely discredited Nakba narrative, Jews in 1948 forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands - some Palestinians claim over one million - Arabs from their homes and then took over the territory.

Historically, about 600,000 Arabs fled Israel after surrounding Arab countries warned they would destroy the Jewish state in 1948. Some Arabs also were driven out by Jewish forces while they were trying to push back invading Arab armies. At the same time, over 800,000 Jews were expelled or left Arab countries under threat after Israel was founded.

The theme of AAAN's Nakba art exhibit, held at DePaul University in 2005, was "the compelling and continuing tragedy of Palestinian life ... under [Israeli] occupation ... home demolition ... statelessness ... bereavement ... martyrdom, and ... the heroic struggle for life, for safety, and for freedom."

Another AAAN initiative, titled, "Al Nakba 1948 as experienced by Chicago Palestinians," seeks documents related to the "catastrophe" of Israel's founding.

A post on the AAAN site asked users: "Do you have photos, letters or other memories you could share about Al-Nakba-1948?"

That posting was recently removed. The AAAN website currently states the entire site is under construction.

Pro-PLO advocate held Obama fundraiser, describes Obama as 'sympathetic'

AAAN co-founder Rashid Khalidi was reportedly a director of the official PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut from 1976 to 1982, while the PLO committed scores of anti-Western attacks and was labeled by the U.S. as a terror group. Khalidi's wife, AAAN President Mona Khalidi, was reportedly WAFA's English translator during that period.

Rashid Khalidi at times has denied working directly for the PLO but Palestinian diplomatic sources in Ramallah told WND he indeed directed WAFA. Khalidi also advised the Palestinian delegation to the Madrid Conference in 1991.

During documented speeches and public events, Khalidi has called Israel an "apartheid system in creation" and a destructive "racist" state.

He has multiple times expressed support for Palestinian terror, calling suicide bombings response to "Israeli aggression." He dedicated his 1986 book, "Under Siege," to "those who gave their lives ... in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon." Critics assailed the book as excusing Palestinian terrorism.

While the Woods Fund's contribution to Khalidi's AAAN might be perceived as a one-time run in with Obama, the presidential hopeful and Khalidi evidence a deeper relationship.

According to a professor at the University of Chicago who said he has known Obama for 12 years, the Democratic presidential hopeful first befriended Khalidi when the two worked together at the university. The professor spoke on condition of anonymity. Khalidi lectured at the University of Chicago until 2003 while Obama taught law there from 1993 until his election to the Senate in 2004.

Khalidi in 2000 held what was described as a successful fundraiser for Obama's failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, a fact not denied by Khalidi.

Speaking in a joint interview with WND and the John Batchelor Show of New York's WABC Radio and Los Angeles' KFI Radio, Khalidi was asked about his 2000 fundraiser for Obama.

"I was just doing my duties as a Chicago resident to help my local politician," Khalidi stated.

Khalidi said he supports Obama for president "because he is the only candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause."

Khalidi also lauded Obama for "saying he supports talks with Iran. If the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no reason it can't talk with the Iranians."

Asked about Obama's role funding the AAAN, Khalidi claimed he had "never heard of the Woods Fund until it popped up on a bunch of blogs a few months ago."

He terminated the call when petitioned further about his links with Obama.

Contacted by phone, Mona Khalidi refused to answer WND's questions about the AAAN's involvement with Obama.

Obama's campaign headquarters did not reply to a list of WND questions sent by e-mail to the senator's press office.

Obama, American terrorist in same circles

Obama served on the board with Ayers, who was a Weathermen leader and has written about his involvement with the group's bombings of the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.

"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough," Ayers told the New York Times in an interview released on Sept. 11, 2001

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon," Ayers wrote in his memoirs, titled "Fugitive Days." He continued with a disclaimer that he didn't personally set the bombs, but his group set the explosives and planned the attack.

A $200 campaign contribution is listed on April 2, 2001 by the "Friends of Barack Obama" campaign fund. The two taught appeared speaking together at several public events, including a 1997 University of Chicago panel entitled, "Should a child ever be called a 'super predator?'" and another panel for the University of Illinois in April 2002, entitled, "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?"

The charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance.

Ayers is married to another notorious Weathermen terrorist, Bernadine Dohrn, who has also served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the FBI's Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the "most dangerous woman in America." Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left 4 people dead.

Obama advisor wants talks with terrorists

The revelations about Obama's relationship with Khalidi follows a recent WND article quoting Israeli security officials who expressed "concern" about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.

Malley, a principal Obama foreign policy adviser, has penned numerous opinion articles, many of them co-written with a former adviser to the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, petitioning for dialogue with Hamas and blasting Israel for numerous policies he says harm the Palestinian cause.

Malley also previously penned a well-circulated New York Review of Books piece largely blaming Israel for the collapse of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations at Camp David in 2000 when Arafat turned down a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and eastern sections of Jerusalem and instead returned to the Middle East to launch an intifada, or terrorist campaign, against the Jewish state.

Malley's contentions have been strongly refuted by key participants at Camp David, including President Bill Clinton, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and primary U.S. envoy to the Middle East Dennis Ross, all of whom squarely blamed Arafat's refusal to make peace for the talks' failure.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: bodynotdead]
    #8069431 - 02/25/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)



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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: bodynotdead]
    #8069512 - 02/25/08 06:17 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Yep, there isn't a whole lot to recommend him after you see who his pals are. Ayers and Dohrn are reprehensible scum and it is just unfortunate they weren't there when the bomb exploded.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: bodynotdead]
    #8069526 - 02/25/08 06:22 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Yet another good reason for me to support Obama. Israel's occupation of Palestine is reprehensible


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8069592 - 02/25/08 06:40 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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Yet another good reason for me to support Obama. Israel's occupation of Palestine is reprehensible




I agree. Only Muslims should control that region. We should accept that they conquered it and we should support them in their fight against people trying to reestablish power.

Any1 that isn't Muslim should be placed into lower classes, the Muslim way.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: bodynotdead]
    #8069611 - 02/25/08 06:43 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Obama is buddies with a terrorist who enjoys blowing innocent people up!

with a name like Barack Hussein Obama its really not that surprising....


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8069709 - 02/25/08 07:09 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

:yawn:

I would think you're above that sort of rhetoric.

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Redstorm]
    #8069711 - 02/25/08 07:09 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Looks like you thought wrong


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Redstorm]
    #8069767 - 02/25/08 07:23 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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:yawn:

I would think you're above that sort of rhetoric.




did you respond to the wrong user?


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: afoaf]
    #8069774 - 02/25/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

I think he's referring to Lonestar's "with a name like blah blah blah" bit


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8072297 - 02/26/08 12:15 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

exactly


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: bodynotdead]
    #8072462 - 02/26/08 01:06 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

“This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better,” he said. “This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama’s audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed.”



“Farrakhan, perhaps the nation’s most potent symbol of antisemitism, told a Chicago crowd of 20,000 that Obama is America’s next savior.”



more like a false prophet.....


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Redstorm]
    #8073026 - 02/26/08 03:13 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Lonestar Said:

Obama is buddies with a terrorist who enjoys blowing innocent people up!

with a name like Barack Hussein Obama its really not that surprising....




Quote:

Redstorm said:


I would think you're above that sort of rhetoric.




Republican John McCain quickly denounced the comments of talk show host who while warming up a campaign crowd referred repeatedly to Barack Hussein Obama and called the Democrat a "hack, Chicago-style" politician.

Hussein is Obama's middle name, but talk show host Bill Cunningham used it three times as he addressed the crowd before the likely Republican nominee's appearance.
“Asked whether the use of Obama’s middle name — the same as former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein — is proper, McCain said: “No, it is not. Any comment that is disparaging of either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama is totally inappropriate.””

The time will come, Cunningham added, when the media will "peel the bark off Barack Hussein Obama" and tell the truth about his relationship with indicted fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko and how Obama got "sweetheart deals" in Chicago.


"I apologize for it," McCain told reporters,



McCain you are a politically correct pussy!

IMO McCain needs to be just as dirty as the Dem's if he wants to win. and if "Hussein" has a problem with his name he should fucking change it....


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8073816 - 02/26/08 06:21 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Being supported by or working with someone doesn't make them his friend.

Just as dirty as the Dems? How have the Dems attacked him? You're blinded by your party allegiance.

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: bodynotdead]
    #8074462 - 02/26/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Another dumb Obama thread.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8075761 - 02/27/08 01:41 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

He doesn't have a problem with his name, but apparently you do


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zorbman]
    #8075913 - 02/27/08 03:06 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Another dumb Obama thread.



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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Coaster]
    #8075999 - 02/27/08 04:02 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

> McCain you are a politically correct pussy!

Unfortunately, in modern society, it is a quick end for politicians that are not politically correct. See, people have feelings, and if the truth is simply stated, then their feelings get bruised and they get upset and lash out. We can't have pain, mental or physical, in modern society. Sharp corners are the next thing on the list to fix.

> with a name like Barack Hussein Obama

What does a name matter? I don't care if his name is Barack Saddam Osama Hussein Adolph Obama. What I do care about are his leftest, socialist, take from those that work and give to those that don't for the greater good mentality. It also bothers me that we might end up with another bigot like George; a cocaine abuser that supports throwing cocaine abusers in prison.

> Another dumb Obama thread.

I miss the Ron Paul threads...


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Redstorm]
    #8076356 - 02/27/08 08:48 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Being supported by or working with someone doesn't make them his friend.





No, but supporting, being supported by, and working with people who like to blow up federal buildings and who want to kill the Jews is probably not a good idea. Especially if you want to run for President. Yeah.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #8076468 - 02/27/08 09:35 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

what a joke...

Obama "associates" with known terrorists and its no big deal!


McCain "associates" with a lobbyist and its front page news...


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8077248 - 02/27/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

It's probably a conspiracy by that god damned jew media :rolleyes:


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8077254 - 02/27/08 01:35 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

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It's probably a conspiracy by that god damned jew media :rolleyes:



id think jews like obama over mccain
but wut do i no


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Coaster]
    #8077416 - 02/27/08 02:23 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I dont know why the jews would support Obama.

The board of the nonprofit organization which Obama served as a paid director alongside with the terrorist Ayers granted funding $$$$ to a controversial Arab group that made statements supportive of Palestinian Terror.

and this arab group has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.


http://www.thejewishpress.com/displaycontent_new.cfm?contentid=30283&contentname=Obama%20Served%20On%20Board%20That%20Funded%20Pro-Palestinian%20Group§ionid=14&mode=a


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8078541 - 02/27/08 06:44 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

One of the great mysteries of our time is why most Jews are liberals.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8078693 - 02/27/08 07:19 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Cause most Jews are educated and educated people tend to be more liberal.

And Jews know the history of the Middle East. Idiots that think that land belongs to Muslims don't know their history. Simple fact.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: downforpot]
    #8078713 - 02/27/08 07:24 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Cause most Jews are educated and educated people tend to be more liberal.




O RLY?
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And Jews know the history of the Middle East. Idiots that think that land belongs to Muslims don't know their history. Simple fact.




Huh?


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8078734 - 02/27/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Yep. Half of my family is Jewish. Most of them are educated, some engineers, doctors, etc. Most of them are liberals. I don't know of a single conservative family member. A lot of them are also pro war just like I am but they also think Bush is a moron.

And as for me....I'm a science major, fairly liberal, pro war. And I don't pay anything for Uni cause my grades are high, not that high, but still high.

The second part goes to the person that was talking about Israel occupying land of people that conquered them in the first place.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: downforpot]
    #8079320 - 02/27/08 09:28 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

hmmmm makes sense im down for pot :potleaf:


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: bodynotdead]
    #8081602 - 02/28/08 01:54 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

wow - what a non-story.

How old was Obama during the time when the Weather Underground was active? He was a child. Has Obama expressed support or paid any homage to the Weather Underground? No. Was he involved with anyone from the Weather Underground besides Ayers (and possibly his wife)? No.

pro tip: the activist circles of Chicago that both Obama and Ayers come from are quite small. I'd wager a large percentage of anyone who's worked with activists in Chicago have encountered and worked to some degree with Ayers. Does that make all these activists terrorists or terrorist sympathizers? No. What about the faculty of UIC where Ayers is employed? They pay him a salary. Does that mean the faculty of UIC are aiding a terrorist?

Ayers is a professor at UIC and many students sign up for his classes simply because the class is taught by Ayers. Does that make them terrorists because they are financially supporting Ayers via their tuition? No. Ayers recently spoke at the Chicago History Museum about his experiences. Does that make the Chicago History Museum a terrorist organization?

And Ayers did turn himself in to face justice for his crimes (which, by the way, did not kill anyone - they essentially blew up a bunch of toilets with pipe bombs and called authorities well in advance to clear the buildings - stupid and reprehensible, yes, but he's hardly an Osama bin Laden). The case was thrown out of court due to police misconduct. He hasnt had any involvement with such radical activity since the early 70s.

Guilt by association is not a crime. This piece is a just another example of yellow journalism during a heated political season - it's smear. And if anyone takes this seriously (and any similar smears against McCain for that matter) they are fools. The same people who post and support these weak attacks against Obama will be the same people who cry foul when a piece inevitably comes out accusing McCain of working with his VietCong captors or being responsible for the deaths of 134 Americans aboard the USS Forrestal or other such nonsense. It's all dirt and I hope you guys can separate the dirt from legitimate stories.

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #8081679 - 02/28/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

So is he a terrorist or not? I heard not much can be found about is background and the grandmother he grew up living with as his guardian doesn't exist.

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Derk]
    #8081687 - 02/28/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

obama is not a terrorist. :rolleyes:

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #8081771 - 02/28/08 02:42 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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obama is not a terrorist. :rolleyes:




Right he only "associates" with them.


What if the (Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) runs a commercial this summer explaining that Obama associates with a man who calls U.S. marines Terrorists.


how do you think the average American is going to react to that news.

Remember perception is reality in politics.

this is just the beginning.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8081782 - 02/28/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Your smear campaigning disgusts me. I was hoping this election would have an end to these dishonorable Karl Rove tactics but the right never seems to disappoint.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8081788 - 02/28/08 02:47 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Right he only "associates" with them.




Guilt by association is not a crime. And I'd hardly consider briefly working with Ayers "associating" with a terrorist. That's just silly.

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What if the (Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) runs a commercial this summer explaining that Obama associates with a man who calls U.S. marines Terrorists.




Well, then they'd be idiots [again].

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how do you think the average American is going to react to that news.

Remember perception is reality in politics.

this is just the beginning.




Well, then they'd be idiots [again].

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8081796 - 02/28/08 02:48 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Your smear campaigning disgusts me. I was hoping this election would have an end to these dishonorable Karl Rove tactics but the right never seems to disappoint.




you are surprised by "smear campaigning" in national elections????


where have u been the last 20 years?


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8081809 - 02/28/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I didn't say I was surprised. I've never been surprised by the lows Republicans will sink to in order to win an election. I just said that it's deplorable and you should conduct yourself with dignity and maturity, but I guess that's too much to hope for


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8081810 - 02/28/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

A smear campaign is when you say something untrue. No one who points out Barack's association with unrepentant terrorists is perpetrating a smear. Little Barry is going to get his feet held to the fire and it's quite surprising that it's taken so long.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8081819 - 02/28/08 02:54 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

A smear campaign is negative tactics that seek to convince voters that the candidate is less electable due to unrelated issues. "Obama associates with terrorists" is fear mongering, plain and simple. Exaggerating the truth in order to distract people from actual political issues.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8081829 - 02/28/08 02:56 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Your smear campaigning disgusts me. I was hoping this election would have an end to these dishonorable Karl Rove tactics but the right never seems to disappoint.




They have just gone back to their standard playbook since they cannot win on the issues.

Smear and fear is all the republicans have. It's hilarious.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zorbman]
    #8081839 - 02/28/08 02:58 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I don't think it's very funny, just sad


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8081843 - 02/28/08 02:59 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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A smear campaign is negative tactics that seek to convince voters that the candidate is less electable due to unrelated issues. "Obama associates with terrorists" is fear mongering, plain and simple. Exaggerating the truth in order to distract people from actual political issues.




exactly.

The recent NYT article on McCain was an example of a smear, just like saying "Obama worked with terrorists" is a smear. Both have a grain of truth but are so full of spin and obfuscation and lacking in context to make them essentially false pieces put into place for political effect.

Can we end this shit on both sides already?

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8081845 - 02/28/08 03:00 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

William Ayers and that skank were terrorists and have stated that they wished they could have done more. They are unrepentant. There is no fear mongering because these pussies are no longer active, thus there is nothing to fear from them. What is of concern is Little Barry's judgment and choice of friends.

Which two things have absolutely nothing to do with your ignorance of what a "smear" is. An example of a "smear" is the whole Clinton routine of floating that he's a Muslim. THAT was smear. Pointing out true facts is not, nor can it ever be, a "smear".


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8081856 - 02/28/08 03:05 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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William Ayers and that skank were terrorists and have stated that they wished they could have done more. They are unrepentant. There is no fear mongering because these pussies are no longer active, thus there is nothing to fear from them. What is of concern is Little Barry's judgment and choice of friends.




Please respond to my initial post.

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8081866 - 02/28/08 03:07 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I don't think it's very funny, just sad

That too in a way. But I am kind of happy also because I believe the electorate won't get fooled again by the dirty tricks crew currently working overtime in some smelly, sweaty basement somewhere and the low-class people who carry their water here.

My sense is people are really weary of that style of politics and being divided by sleaze merchants, the Karl Roves of the world. This kind of stuff will backfire and that will be hilarious. I think Obama's campaign has actually been strengthened by the Clinton's unfounded attacks.

Hopefully Obama is smart enough to stay out of the gutter and let his surrogates respond against petty inuendo of this sort. The Republicans will play right into his hands just as they have against terrorists.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8081870 - 02/28/08 03:08 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Semantics. To you smear means a lie, but to me smear means the tactic of negative campaigning that pushes the truth. Saying "Obama worked with terrorist" has a much different connotation then "Obama associates with professor he worked with at a University." Stop trying to debase my arguments by defining one word in your own terms when the meaning (in the sense that I'm using it) is wholly different


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8081878 - 02/28/08 03:11 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Furthermore your definition is incorrect.

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A smear campaign is an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an individual's or group's reputation, credibility, and character.




So hey, what was that about my ignorance?


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8082626 - 02/28/08 06:04 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

If you murdered forty seven people and I pointed it out in a campaign that is not a smear. If you didn't but I somehow insinuated that you did that is a smear. I have no idea where you got that definition from. It is absurd. I think it is quite alright to call any candidate's character into question, as well as his reputation and his credibility. Isn't that EVERY campaign? What isn't alright is to float nonsense, like Obama wearing that robe in conjunction with a scurrilous whisper that he's really a Muslim. THAT'S a smear campaign.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8082637 - 02/28/08 06:05 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Semantics. To you smear means a lie, but to me smear means the tactic of negative campaigning that pushes the truth. Saying "Obama worked with terrorist" has a much different connotation then "Obama associates with professor he worked with at a University." Stop trying to debase my arguments by defining one word in your own terms when the meaning (in the sense that I'm using it) is wholly different




Ayers was a terrorist and remains unapologetic about it to this day. Further, Little Barry did associate with him. Reality can sometimes be a bitch, neh?


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #8082685 - 02/28/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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William Ayers and that skank were terrorists and have stated that they wished they could have done more. They are unrepentant. There is no fear mongering because these pussies are no longer active, thus there is nothing to fear from them. What is of concern is Little Barry's judgment and choice of friends.




Please respond to my initial post.




These people should be shunned. It's a shame they didn't die in a hail of bullets. The only thing that prevented them from being murderers was their incompetence, another ineluctable feature of the left. How's that for a response? And Little Barry's judgment about who he associates with is completely fair game in all respects. The fact that he even says hello to them grants them a semblance of legitimacy. They are scum. Just like the PR terrorists Willy Small Balls pardoned.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8082775 - 02/28/08 06:35 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Actually, the Weather Underground took great care in not killing anyone after the NYC accident. Afterwards, they pretty much just blew up toilets and empty cubicles and statues with weak pipe bombs after alerting the authorities of the bomb's presence to avoid hurting anyone. If they wanted to kill and mame, they certainly could, but they chose not to but rather practice these dangerous stunts instead. And it should be stated that Ayers had nothing to do with the NYC bomb or it's plan.

Not to diminish the stupidity of their actions (as I condemn any sort of violent activity like that), but to consider Bill Ayers some grand terrorist that no one can associate with nearly 40 years after turning himself in to the FBI - even if such association is as minor and trivial as with the case with Obama in Chicago several years ago - is just silly.

And as for the infamous quote of "we didnt do enough," well that's taken entirely out of context. I've read his autobiography from where that quote comes from. have you?

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #8082818 - 02/28/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

You are right that Bill Ayers is a nobody. And that is exactly the level of respect and obeisance he deserves. Except Little Barry didn't think so and I thus call his judgment into question over it. Perhaps he was just being stylish. Or maybe he was trying to buff his rebel credentials. Let's ask Barry. Let him explain what he was doing with the asshole.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8082865 - 02/28/08 06:50 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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You are right that Bill Ayers is a nobody. And that is exactly the level of respect and obeisance he deserves. Except Little Barry didn't think so and I thus call his judgment into question over it. Perhaps he was just being stylish. Or maybe he was trying to buff his rebel credentials. Let's ask Barry. Let him explain what he was doing with the asshole.




Do you consider the University of Chicago at Illinois to be aiding and abetting a terrorist by having him on in their faculty? Is the Chicago History Museum proving a terrorist funding by having him speak at the museum the other week regarding the anniversary of the 1968 Democratic Convention? Is the publishing firm that released "Fugitive Days" giving aid to a terrorist? Are all those Ayers has associated with in the Chicago political landscape guilty of working with a terrorist? If so, then thousands of people need to be arrested. Is this your belief?

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #8083050 - 02/28/08 07:27 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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You are right that Bill Ayers is a nobody. And that is exactly the level of respect and obeisance he deserves. Except Little Barry didn't think so and I thus call his judgment into question over it. Perhaps he was just being stylish. Or maybe he was trying to buff his rebel credentials. Let's ask Barry. Let him explain what he was doing with the asshole.




Do you consider the University of Chicago at Illinois to be aiding and abetting a terrorist by having him on in their faculty? Is the Chicago History Museum proving a terrorist funding by having him speak at the museum the other week regarding the anniversary of the 1968 Democratic Convention? Is the publishing firm that released "Fugitive Days" giving aid to a terrorist? Are all those Ayers has associated with in the Chicago political landscape guilty of working with a terrorist? If so, then thousands of people need to be arrested. Is this your belief?




Will you please point out anyone's assertion that Little Barry was aiding or abetting a terrorist. I'm going to do it one more time for the slow. It is a sign of bad judgment on Little Barry's part that he would do anything but spit on these people. Can you get your head around that? If I ran the University, this fuck wouldn't work there. I didn't buy the fuck's book. I don't care what the piece of shit has to say about anything. And anybody who thinks that he needs to associate with this piece of shit for political reasons is either an idiot or a whore. I do not want any friend of William Ayers anywhere near the White House. Not even on a guided tour.


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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8083558 - 02/28/08 09:06 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Perhaps you should wrap it around your head that minor associations like the ones that Obama had with Ayers does not mean anything and is not a reflection of an Obama administration. There is nothing to suggest they are friends or even acquaintances. They simply served on the same board along with many others. I know a professor that works with Ayers in the Education Department and this relationship does not mean anything in regards to my friend's political worldview or ethics. Perhaps you are in the game of guilt by association like some sort of modern McCarthyism, but I suspect the wiser voters are not.

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Re: Obama worked with terrorist [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #8084718 - 02/29/08 01:42 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I haven't read the thread or looked too deeply into the specifics, but after seeing, in this election, purported connections between Obama and terrorists, McCain and terrorists, Giuliani and terrorists, Hillary and shady characters, Ron Paul and hate groups...

... I'm concluding that extremists exist in all political and ideaological movements, and its only natural that, by the time someone is a viable Presidental candidate, they've, in some manner or another, associated with them. Unless we are talking about plots, specifically belonging to or intentionally playing some role with them, etc. etc. etc., who fucking cares. :lol:


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