infidelGOD said:

actually, now that I think of it, that's the Christian viewpoint. the goal isn't transcendence, it's salvation. being saved while the rest of humanity goes to hell. in this view, the reference point is the self - an ego based model of spirituality.

with transcendence, the reference point is humanity.
I guess once you shed your ego, you become naturally buoyant.
 

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buoyant eh ?  If I cling to u as my Guru will I stay afloat too ?

infidelGOD said:

If you cling to me as your Guru, I'm afraid my ego will sink us both.

I never want to be a guru. it's an ego trap. not for true seekers.

to shed the ego I suggest you immerse yourself in nature.
five days alone in the wilderness can do wonders for you.

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infidelGOD said:

hhhmmmmm.. every path is unique so maybe nature isn't for you.
I'm no guru so I can't tell you what would work for you. I can only share what has worked for me. there's something about the "graininess" of nature, the repeating patterns and rich textures that make me feel a part of a whole. I feel the boundry between me and the universe becoming fuzzy and then dissolving. my individuality melts away and I become a part of the collective organism. it makes me feel insignificant, like if I just layed down and died, mother nature would just consume me and no one would notice a thing. It's a release for me. I go out there, release the mind and dissolve into the landscape.

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