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OrgoneConclusion said:
I have transcended the need to transcend.

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That is exactly what I was getting at.

People transcend things every day. It is no big deal. Smart folks eventually even transcend the need to transcend. Like, say... Gandhi, Jesus and you, Org.

There is no big change... no huge paradigm shift... and the world doesn't notice or care.

Transcendence is very ordinary.

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MarkostheGnostic said:
Most of our transcendence comes about as naturally telescoping developmental stages that incorporates the older stage, but 'goes beyond' the previous stage and manifests wider more comprehensive perspective. The Piagetian cognitive stages, for example, illustrate a diminishment of a completely egocentric position, and mental processes that begin with crude innate sensory-motor intelligence, and arrives at the ability to think logically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Piaget#The_stages_of_cognitive_development
Unfortunately, it has been estimated that only 50% of Americans have arrived at "Formal Operations." This most certainly account for the magical thinking (not occultic magickal thinking) that describes much religious thinking. Elements of the "Preoperational" and the "Concrete Operational" forms of primitive thinking characterize characterize the miracle-filled and literal interpretations of scripture.

At any rate, transcendence is not reserved for the 'further reaches of human nature,' but is a part of our psychological growth since we are born. Transcendence of the logical, rational mind - the transrational - begins to open up the transpersonal, transcendental modes of consciousness that most people regard as highly unusual stages. They are of course, considering that they occur to those who are completely in "Formal Operations," and that immediately rules out 50% of our population. These are the Maslowian self-actualizers - those who have cultivated "Being-Cognition" (versus "Deficiency-Cognition") and who report "peak experiences."  Ken Wilber does a good job in some of his works to illustrate the idea that transcendence goes back to out origins, not just to a few mystics, monks and historical figures.

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I managed to understand almost all of that post.

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MarkostheGnostic said:
Most of our transcendence comes about as naturally telescoping developmental stages that incorporates the older stage, but 'goes beyond' the previous stage and manifests wider more comprehensive perspective. The Piagetian cognitive stages, for example, illustrate a diminishment of a completely egocentric position, and mental processes that begin with crude innate sensory-motor intelligence, and arrives at the ability to think logically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Piaget#The_stages_of_cognitive_development
Unfortunately, it has been estimated that only 50% of Americans have arrived at "Formal Operations." This most certainly account for the magical thinking (not occultic magickal thinking) that describes much religious thinking. Elements of the "Preoperational" and the "Concrete Operational" forms of primitive thinking characterize characterize the miracle-filled and literal interpretations of scripture.

At any rate, transcendence is not reserved for the 'further reaches of human nature,' but is a part of our psychological growth since we are born. Transcendence of the logical, rational mind - the transrational - begins to open up the transpersonal, transcendental modes of consciousness that most people regard as highly unusual stages. They are of course, considering that they occur to those who are completely in "Formal Operations," and that immediately rules out 50% of our population. These are the Maslowian self-actualizers - those who have cultivated "Being-Cognition" (versus "Deficiency-Cognition") and who report "peak experiences."  Ken Wilber does a good job in some of his works to illustrate the idea that transcendence goes back to out origins, not just to a few mystics, monks and historical figures.

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Very good. Now transcend the need to understand.

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Cervantes said:

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Very good. Now transcend the need to understand.

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Woah...

Yew jest blew my MIND man!

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Well, yes AND no. The Incomprehensible is incomprehensible, the comprehensible is comprehensible.
Transcending understanding does not mean dismissing or ignoring that which is comprehensible.

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MarkostheGnostic said:
Sorry, no Gallup Poll on this one, it's something I picked during my studies, but just open your eyes to the emotional nature of vast numbers of Americans. Look at how they vote! Look at the religious right! Logic does NOT govern the thinking of the multitudes. Look at people you meet every day. Their egocentrism is rooted in very primitive developmental levels - infantile grandiosity.

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