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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: Enlil]
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I think think its pretentious that this is considered pretentious by someone who probably contributes massively to animals suffering and death

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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: 4runner]
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anunnakian said:
Pride man, it goes both ways, and rarely is it a good thing.

Pride, $5000 pure bread. Idiot Douche
Pride, $100 adopted a dog. Smug Douche


Pretty much this. Yeah it's a good idea to get a dog from the humane society for many reasons, but don't expect a slap on the back every time you mention it in conversation. Similarly, if you shelled out big money for some fancy purebred, expect the majority of people not to be particularly impressed by your bragging about it.

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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: psi]
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psi said:
anunnakian said:
Pride man, it goes both ways, and rarely is it a good thing.

Pride, $5000 pure bread. Idiot Douche
Pride, $100 adopted a dog. Smug Douche


Pretty much this. Yeah it's a good idea to get a dog from the humane society for many reasons, but don't expect a slap on the back every time you mention it in conversation. Similarly, if you shelled out big money for some fancy purebred, expect the majority of people not to be particularly impressed by your bragging about it.


So every dog owner is a douche for one reason or another? I'd say people that perpetuate this idea have gone beyond regular douchebaggery and are super douches. Most likely you are the origin for the joke of having to tie a steak around ones neck to get the family dog to play with you, you lack the intelligence to entertain even a k-9.


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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: JamesSpawned]
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No no, that's just if they are flaunting the... this is my rescue dog or this is my fancy dog for attention. Context man.

psi understood what I meant.
Also I kind of meant it in southpark'ish  humor

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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: 4runner]
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Yeah it's the bragging that's douchey. My dog was from the humane society and IMO that's a good way to go. I just don't expect people to be too impressed by hearing that.

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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: 4runner] * 1
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I see it more clearly now, I apologize for the hard retort I have a 4 day old infant and I'm a little more than sleep deprived. I also have a chip on my shoulder over having to constantly defend my pit bulls friendly nature. I pretty much sleep prepared to jump out of bed and tongue lash someone for their ridiculous fear and or hatred of "vicious breeds".
  I do agree that touting a super expensive pure bred show dog can be a little offensive to some it is very awe inspiring to see the true full potential of the breeds we commonly see. I don't have a problem with people breeding or buying $5,000 dogs, it's the people buying and breeding $300-1200 "papered" "purebred" dogs from uneducated uncaring "breeders".
Again though, I apologize for my hasty words I am not usually a hothead and prefer civil discussion over name-calling.


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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: JamesSpawned]
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Enlil said:
Because buying a dog only encourages more dogs to be bred.  With 3-4 million pets being euthanized a year by shelters, there is already an ample supply.  Buying a pet rather than adopting one perpetuates the problem.


You were being a female dog to me earlier, but I really respect you for standing up for this.



I feel the same way about people that want biological kids with so many in foster care and worse though.

Call me an asshole, but between logic and having gone every year with my Scout Troop to a local orphanage to throw them a Christmas party, I think we always need to take care of who is already here instead of having a new one made or making a new one expressly or secondarily for us.


JamesSpawned said:
I see it more clearly now, I apologize for the hard retort I have a 4 day old infant and I'm a little more than sleep deprived. I also have a chip on my shoulder over having to constantly defend my pit bulls friendly nature. I pretty much sleep prepared to jump out of bed and tongue lash someone for their ridiculous fear and or hatred of "vicious breeds".
  I do agree that touting a super expensive pure bred show dog can be a little offensive to some it is very awe inspiring to see the true full potential of the breeds we commonly see. I don't have a problem with people breeding or buying $5,000 dogs, it's the people buying and breeding $300-1200 "papered" "purebred" dogs from uneducated uncaring "breeders".
Again though, I apologize for my hasty words I am not usually a hothead and prefer civil discussion over name-calling.


:manofapproval: :kaneclap:

Although again, I think buying a $5,000 dog is socially irresponsible, but then again only about as much as buying a sports car unless this thing is actually that common. Still is in principle and practice irresponsible, but none of us are perfect (and I'm tempted to throw in a YOLO here cause some people really enjoy that hobby; then again, people enjoyed dog fights too :shrug:). IDK.

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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Because buying a dog only encourages more dogs to be bred.  With 3-4 million pets being euthanized a year by shelters, there is already an ample supply.  Buying a pet rather than adopting one perpetuates the problem.


Buying a dog doesn't encourage anyone to do anything other than what they were already going to do. I just got a German Shorthair Pointer who is 55 days old today. He is AKC registered with an impressive "winning" pedigree. He cost me $600 and with that I'm being offered a plethora of benefits such as knowing the cause of death for all his ancestors and exactly what health problems are ahead, what kind of temperament he will have, length of life and will have the opportunity to breed him later in life if I so choose. Not to mention, I know that I have a dog that I can train very easily; he is competent and healthy. My intention is not to brag, but to be open about it for the sake of conversation. The breeder who sold it to me doesn't operate a puppy mill or anything similar. In fact, he chooses to do what he does to improve on the breed. He loves all his dog and is selling them for the price he chooses fluctuates based on how much he invested into them.

I hear what you are saying, but I don't agree that a dog's life is worth more than any humans. With that in mind, I don't take it as my responsibility to adopt a possibly emotionally scared animal from the pound. I don't enjoy putting up with animals that are afraid or have a history of being abused; they are high potential cases for attacking their handlers, other dogs and even children. With a pup, I'm provided the peace of mind of knowing all the experiences my dog will have and what bearing or effect they will have on his behavior. I plan on never having owning any dogs except from pups that I can pick up at 7 weeks from the litter, spoken to the breeders, met both the dam and sire and get to see between when I pick him up to come home with me forever. I'm all for responsible pet owners and am against animal abuse, however a dog is such an investment of time to me that I want it to be done right the first time.

It would be logical to assume that you also think having children is socially irresponsible too, right?

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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: SoreSpore] * 1
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SoreSpore said:
It would be logical to assume that you also think having children is socially irresponsible too, right?


I do.  There are already plenty of people on the planet.

Back to the topic, though: 

First, I disagree with the notion of an "emotionally scarred dog."  Dogs don't carry that kind of baggage.  That is something that humans project onto them.  Very few dogs can't be rehabilitated.

Second, purchasing anything increases demand which provides an incentive for increasing production.  I'm glad you like your dog, and I trust that you'll take good care of it.  Nonetheless, the more dogs that are purchased instead of adopted, the more incentive there is for breeders to continue to breed dogs.  In a nation where millions are killed each year because they don't have homes, that is antithetical to any utilitarian notion of maximizing the good and minimizing the bad.

Finally, it isn't a matter of judging someone negatively because they purchased a dog instead of adopting one.  It is socially irresponsible, but so are many things that we do each day.  It is impossible to live one's life always choosing the socially responsible path.  It's also not even prudent, since anyone who did so would be the ONLY person on the planet doing it. 

The bottom line for me is to choose what I deem important.  I'll take an adopted dog every time because the quality of an adopted dog is just as good as the quality of a purchased dog for every application I have.  On the other hand, I like a clean ass, so I choose to do the socially irresponsible thing and flush 3-7 times when I take a shit because I use a ton of toilet paper.


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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Back to the topic, I like a clean ass, so I choose to do the socially irresponsible thing and flush 3-7 times when I take a shit because I use a ton of toilet paper.



Lol, you really need to add a wet strategy to your dry routine. Like pampers wipes with aloe maybe...


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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: Enlil]
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:cheers:

As always, you are a logophile who is very fluent and eloquent to purvey whatever point you may be trying. In this cause, your articulateness has persuaded my view of the issue slightly. Although I prefer I a pup, backyard breeding without cause or intention is more irresponsible than poor ownership, in my opinion. In the future, I will definitely consider rescuing for the purpose of bragging. :smirk: But seriously, I will.

Have a good weekend, man. On a separate note, tonight it taco night! I'll be making brisket tacos. I started smoking it last night at about 10 or 11, about to pull it off soon.
:taco:

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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: JamesSpawned]
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When I build my house, I'll put in a bidet.


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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: SoreSpore]
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I haven't had tacos in months.  My wife is on this shitty low acid diet which pretty much puts me on the same shit.


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Re: Calling dogs "rescues"... [Re: Enlil]
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Jesus, man. My condolences.
I gotta have glorious carne asada at least once a week or I get cranky.

I will eat tacos in your memory this weekend.
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