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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: Gumby]
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Organic I and II are usually prerequisites to biochem courses, at least anywhere with a good chem dept.


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: KingKnowledge]
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KingKnowledge said:
Out of all you shroomers, how many have studied organic chemistry? I'm wondering how crucial it is to understanding how the drugs work etc.


I just finished a year of organic chemistry.

It's absolutely crucial.


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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yep, I agree, the most important thing you will ever see in regards to the compounds, components, how they operate, why we need to grow poppies.

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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: lazyfingers]
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It's a really weird class, not at all how I expected it to be. For some reason I expected it to be math-heavy and focused on rate laws but it was actually completely math-free, was mostly about drawing molecules and naming them, and making them fight. It sounds easy, but it's insanely difficult, easily the most difficult class I've taken, and the prof said it's all downhill from there. Honestly the strangest shit I've ever studied.

I studied that shit HARD, though. I actually read almost the entire textbook. It seemed like pretty crucial stuff to me, I didn't half-ass it. But because I focused more on the complete understanding than on my lecture notes, I got a C in the first semester. :facepalm:


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I got a C in the first semester


I think that's normal, they are trying to train professional chemists, not drug enthusiasts, we are our own branch of chemistry.

had to edit that severasl times sory

Edited by lazyfingers (09/12/13 11:29 PM)

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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: TwinEclipse]
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TwinEclipse said:
I am currently taking general chemistry honors. Then it's organic and maybe biochem to prep me when I transfer to IVY league

I'm also going to take physics first but I need to finish calculus before making the attempt. That way i can ACE that mofo. I'm in precalc currently.

I enjoy acid base reactions :smile: helped me learn to blast off :aweoverdose: I bought a pH meter for my next extraction. Gonna do it all professional, like in lab :smile: I never really wrote down how much I get for each extraction. I want to see if my technique is getting better. :awehigh:

I learned a new method of getting a pure substance. Called chromatography? It has to do with stationary stuff and moving stuff...idk just learned it Monday lol. I wonder how it works? I will learn in lab. Can't wait :dancer:


That's awesome man. Be sure to buddy up with your chem professors. Ask them about their projects and research opportunities. Ask questions...show that you're interested in the field. Visit during their office hours and such. It pays off big time. Their letters of recommendation are key for grad school applications.

And running a chromatography column is kinda like watching paint dry. Theres an art to every apparatus, and chromatography is definitely one of them. The glassware is only as precise as the person using it.

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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
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I'm actually in physics with calculus right now. It's a good idea to do calculus first; my district offers a "general physics" course which is separate from the "general physics with calculus" course. Both are more advanced than "introduction to physics" (which is only one semester, has no lab and no math, aimed at non-science majors) but w/calc is the more advanced of the two and has calc II as a prerequisite. I understand w/o is more like genchem where they feed you equations without really explaining how they're derived. One of my lab partners in this class has actually already taken the "without calculus" version, but then found out he has to take it with calculus too. I kinda feel sorry for him, but it's nice having him as a lab partner because he's still way ahead of me. :lol:


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Im doing my undergrad double major in psychopharmacology and cognitive science. Some would call it an obsession. I call it a career.


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: themusicofzann]
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I'm doing a BS in neuroscience. Psychopharmacology and cognitive sciences are both subjects which have interested me, but for me I think it comes down to neuroscience in the end. :datass:


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I'm glad I took my math prerequisites. I started college nearly 10 years out of school. When I enrolled into my pre-calc class, many of the kids were totally lost and did horribly. I phoned that class in and still got an A. If I tried to test out of algebra and jump right in, I probably would have failed that shit like a fiery plane crash :lol:

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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
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Yeah, I took intermediate algebra and pre-calc before calc I and II. My mom insisted on me learning the algebra and trig really thoroughly when I was a kid. I hated it but damn, I'm grateful for it now-- I can't even imagine what it's like to struggle with algebra, but my easy A's in the int. alg. and the pre-calc were not typical. And now that I'm taking physics, the trig is hugely important.

Calc I and II were way harder, C and B respectively. I really wish they had taught those classes in a way that was more integrated with application, rather than pure theory. What the fuck is the point of derivatives and integrals if you're not instructed on their use for analyzing vectors? Physics is awesome, though, I'm like "OK now I get why I had to learn this calculus crap."


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
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I'm still in my first semester of calculus with zero credits in physics, but I can still appreciate its use like finding the tangent line or rate of change in a tiration curve. Vectors are still pretty foreign to me

Edit: BTW, I think your avatar was my first avatar when they were introduced to the forum :rockon:

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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
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Vectors are like onions. Onions made of calculus.


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
Vectors are like onions. Onions made of calculus.


Speaking of vectors :megacrankey:

Took me a while to draw arrows pointing in the right direction for vector sums. Lol especially when I had to find the change in momentum during collisions. I bet general physics is gonna go A LOT more in depth with those calculations. Simple math calculations, but when it comes to drawing the triangle of collision(law of conservation for momentum) and whatnot :blush: I struggled.


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
I'm doing a BS in neuroscience. Psychopharmacology and cognitive sciences are both subjects which have interested me, but for me I think it comes down to neuroscience in the end. :datass:


To correct my post, it is a Double major in neurosci and Cog sci, with a masters in psychopharm.


Neurosci for the win!!!!


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: themusicofzann]
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Neuroscience. I may have to read up on that:thumbup: nothing like synaptic potentiation. I would love to learn more of how synapses work; my knowledge is severely limited.


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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: themusicofzann]
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I was wondering what college would offer psychopharmacology as a major. I was also considering a masters in psychopharm. My dream of all dreams would be to work with Dr. Nichols at Purdue. Its a long shot, so I'm trying to be more practical. If I can get through a year of calc and physical chemistry, I'll be happy.

On the other hand, a friend of mine only has a chem tech degree and makes more money than my professor. I'd be totally fine with a low income job if I could just do what I love....which is chemistry. And a few side projects, of course :wink:

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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
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Yukon Cornelius said:
Right now studying as a biochemistry major. If you want to know how drugs affect the mind and the mechanism-of-action of drugs then a more specific field would be psychopharmacology. Organic chemistry is crucial to understanding biochemistry and subsequently pharmacology.


Gumby said:
I took organic I & II and organic lab. It's pretty important for how drugs work, but biochemistry is much more important. Take orgo first then biochem. It would probably make a lot more sense in that order.


These two have it right.  A good organic background is essential for pharmacology/biochemistry.  Once you start working in only those fields, you can start letting some of the bigger nuances of chemistry fade away, but you'll have no chance if you don't know organic well in the beginning (trust me, I've been there).

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Re: Organic Chemistry [Re: TwinEclipse]
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TwinEclipse said:
Neuroscience. I may have to read up on that:thumbup: nothing like synaptic potentiation. I would love to learn more of how synapses work; my knowledge is severely limited.



Well, currently I'm studying neuropharmacology, but at my school I may need to take orgo to accomplish that as a major. I guess its worth it...


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