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Subwoofers
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What do you guys know about subs? Pretty new to this stuff. I know you need an amp as well. My buddy said all Id need is 100w subs for my small 06 acura. He also said the cheapest Id be able to get quality subs (not those junk yard shit subs) would probably be 300. Those of you who listen to edm know that without bass your missing half the song. So yeah If anyone knows any good brands/deals and wants to help me out I appreciate it :thumbup:


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: Jackthetripper7]
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Craigslist has got deals on electronics. Someone always need a little cash, and for 300 you could get some pretty good bumps for your Accord. Good brands for subs are audio Bahn, cerwin vega(expensive), pioneer, kenwood, Jensen, JL audio, these are just a few off the top of my head.. As for an amp depends what size/how many subs your are trying to push. As a cheap starter look for a deal with one 12" sub or two 10" subs that comes with an amp. And find a cheap capacitor so you don't kill your battery and or alternator.

Once you feel like it doesn't bump enough start looking for two 12"s and a good amp over 1000 watts. But you can't go wrong with one 12" and some mids such as 6x9's or whatever you car has

Edited by SuperFly (08/24/13 11:54 PM)

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Re: Subwoofers [Re: Jackthetripper7]
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100W subs for 300? RIP OFF.



ttp://www.amazon.com/Dual-BP1204-1100-Watt-Illumination-Subwoofer/dp/B000UTMDOC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377402728&sr=8-1&keywords=car+subwoofer

for example. Probably wouldn't fit in ur acura though.

Get one big subwoofer for the trunk like the link I gave you and get two small singles for the backseat. Then ur shit will bumpp.

You will need an amplifier. Thats the most expensive part.

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Re: Subwoofers [Re: gman7104]
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Says invalid link.. Never mind it was because http was cut off

Edited by SuperFly (08/25/13 12:10 AM)

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Re: Subwoofers [Re: SuperFly]
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Something along those lines, im a stoner guys, i forget easily haha. Hes my buddy, not selling me anything. I just needed a good direction to start in looking for subs


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: Jackthetripper7]
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Jackthetripper7 said:
What do you guys know about subs? Pretty new to this stuff. I know you need an amp as well. My buddy said all Id need is 100w subs for my small 06 acura. He also said the cheapest Id be able to get quality subs (not those junk yard shit subs) would probably be 300. Those of you who listen to edm know that without bass your missing half the song. So yeah If anyone knows any good brands/deals and wants to help me out I appreciate it :thumbup:



Your friend knows nothing.

100w amp for $300 subs?  :freshwtf:


First thing to know, amp manufacturers lie out there teeth. They say they are selling an amp that is 2000 watts when in reality if you flip the box over, it will tell you it's real wattage rating is 400watts max. They do it all the fucking time. My buddy was all stoked when he got his setup, he was especially stoked about his 1800 watt amp. I took a look at the box and it was really 600 true watts, not 1800.

As far as wattage goes, it depends on how big of subs you have. Also, if you plan on running multiple woofers or amping your speakers, you need an amp with multiple channels.

Now, you need to decide what size of sub speaker you want. 10s are typically the smallest, even though you can by 8s. The bigger the size, the deeper the note the speaker is going to hit. 12s are middle range and 15s are big. You can go bigger, but it's not really necessary. If you want a good, middle of the road subwoofer that is going to hit the most notes, buy a 12 inch sub.

If all you need to power is one 12 inch sub, anywhere from 500-800 TRUE watts will be good. I power 2 12s in my car off 1600 TRUE watts and it fucking bumps. It rattles everything and I drive a small car, similar to yours, op. Doesn't need any more, and I wouldn't like any less, I like my car to shake when I feel like it.



So to recap, you probably are going to want a 12 inch sub and lets say a 600 watt amp. MAKE SURE THE AMP IS REALLY 600 WATTS. YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO BUY ONE THAT SAYS It's 1500 WATTS OR SIMILAR, JUST CHECK THE BACK OF THE BOX, DON't BELIEVE WHAT THE FRONT SAYS.

Shop around at any car audio places near you. You can typically haggle them down because they overprice everything, and if you go in knowing that, you can get a better deal. My system was regularly $1600 but I got them to cut the price IN HALF. Ended up paying $800 for all new speakers, amp and sub as well as installation.

Don't skimp on a wiring kit, get a nice one. It makes a big difference.

All in all, you can spend around $3-400 and get a nice 12 inch, built into a box, a nice amp and a nice wiring kit.


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: ganjfather]
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Whatever you do, don't fuck with ported sub boxed.  Sealed box all the way!!!  Unless you just want loud bass that sounds like a shitty wet fart.

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Re: Subwoofers [Re: abltsandwich]
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Sealed is def the way to go.


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: ganjfather]
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Many years ago my friend and I would build custom sound systems for people.  Got me into fiberglass work and custom fabrication stuff, it was really fun problem solving that kinda stuff.  I always hated when customers wanted a ported box :rolleyes:

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Re: Subwoofers [Re: abltsandwich]
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Ya, well, ported works fine for a real small system, like 300 watts to a single 10, but when you want to start shaking things, you need to have it sealed, otherwise the box just can't handle the bass.


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: Jackthetripper7]
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my advice is that subs aren't even really necessary in a car. it's overkill. what i would do, is get a real nice pair of "6x9" speakers, and an amp.

as i said before, subs aren't needed, but if your set on subs, i would be getting 2 x 10" , or 2 x 12" subwoofers. these give the best bass and response, and can handle all types of music. i'd also run the subs on a seperate amplifier to everything else for the best results also


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: Jackthetripper7]
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It depends on what you're going for. There are two different categories of subwoofers. Ones that produce high sound quality (SQ) and ones that produce high sound pressure level (SPL). SQ is more if you just want to hear bass and you want a firm, responsive sub that hits every beat. If you want loud, sometimes sloppy sounding bass, go for subs geared for high SPL.

When I was a retarded 16 year old I wanted both high SQ and high SPL, so I put two 12 inch Infinity Kappa Perfect subs in my car with a 1200 watt amp. It's loud as fuck and sounds nice, aside from my shitty old car. Total overkill. If you're just looking to get a nice subwoofer for some responsive bass that you can actually hear/feel, in most cases at 10 inch sub with a nice amp will do the job.

If I could do it over again, I would have gotten one Infinity Kappa Perfect 12 inch sub with a 400 watt amp. That would be more than enough to hear and feel it. If you really want to go batshit crazy go for a JL Audio W7 10 inch sub with an 800 watt amp.

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Re: Subwoofers [Re: Jackthetripper7]
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I know you are inquiring about car audio, but I thought for anyone interested, I'd chime in for home theatre.  i'm quite passionate about it.

The higher the wattage doesn't always mean better.

These subwoofers below are considered THE best bang for the buck.

These are all highly regarded as some of the best:

Seaton Submersive HP+ - 4000 watt amp with the option of adding a slave(passive sub) to it, to be powered by the 4000 watt amp

http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/SubMersive-HP-amp-F2-masterslave-option-6453864


SVS PB13-Ultra : 1000 watt sledge amp

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb13-ultra#.UhmW8xubPtY

Rythmik F25 or F15HP

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV15HP.html

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F25.html

Power Sound Audio XV30(formerly SVS owner/employee)

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/power-x/products/xv30



Power Sound Audio has INCREDIBLE value for anyone interested.

But the submersive seems to win hands down.  i'm currently saving for one.  Hope to buy it by next spring.


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: Masked]
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Stay away from sony, jensen, power acoustic, audiobahn, dual, pyramid, boss, brands like that. Don't go by max wattage rating, that means nothing, go by rms rating. Stay with reputable brands (Jl, sundown, kicker, rockford, kenwood, pioneer). You generally get what you pay for. Just because boss has an amp that is "2000 watts" while a repuatable brand has one that is 600 and the same price doesn't mean shit. Chances are the boss won't even do 600. A good rule of thumb for how many watts a amp is capable of, ignoring manufacturer specs, is 10 watts per amp of fuse. So if a amp has a 2 30 amp fuses it is in the ballpark of 600 watts.

What's your goal and budget? Nice and quality subs can be had for around a hundred each. Expect to spend an equal amount if not more for an amp to power them.

Also: caraudio.com

ganjfather said:
Ya, well, ported works fine for a real small system, like 300 watts to a single 10, but when you want to start shaking things, you need to have it sealed, otherwise the box just can't handle the bass.


umm no. Ported is on average, 3db louder (twice as loud) as the same subs in a sealed box. 2 10/s sealed is theorhetically as loud as 1 10 ported.  The box cant handle the bass, seriously dude? Going from sealed to ported=3db, doubling your power=3db, and doubling your cone arear=3db. In a perfect world atleast.

Also OP, save some money by building your own box. Most prefabs are poorly designed and overpriced, especially the ported ones.

Also, speaker size has nothing to do with the frequencies or repsonsiveness of the sub. The whole 15's are good from rap and 10's are good for metal is nonsense.

Edited by luvdemboomers (08/25/13 02:00 AM)

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Re: Subwoofers [Re: ganjfather]
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ganjfather said:
Jackthetripper7 said:
What do you guys know about subs? Pretty new to this stuff. I know you need an amp as well. My buddy said all Id need is 100w subs for my small 06 acura. He also said the cheapest Id be able to get quality subs (not those junk yard shit subs) would probably be 300. Those of you who listen to edm know that without bass your missing half the song. So yeah If anyone knows any good brands/deals and wants to help me out I appreciate it :thumbup:



Your friend knows nothing.

First thing to know, amp manufacturers lie out there teeth. They say they are selling an amp that is 2000 watts when in reality if you flip the box over, it will tell you it's real wattage rating is 400watts max. They do it all the fucking time. My buddy was all stoked when he got his setup, he was especially stoked about his 1800 watt amp. I took a look at the box and it was really 600 true watts, not 1800.





seems you're lacking in that department as well, low end amps usually are
misleading about wattage, bridged to 1 ohm or half an ohm most of the
claimed high wattage amps will put out that kind of power but most arent
stable below 2 ohms until you start looking at high end amps like lanzar,
if there's a bit of cash to be wasted, a crescendo bc series is the way to
go if you want half ohm stable and huge subs

decent components can be found in junk yards as well, many of the mercedes
and lexuses from the 90s and into the 2000s had nakamichi subs from the
factory, they arent made to be pretty but they're effective

a good system can be assembled with a couple of 8" woofers or a couple of
10" subs and an amp rated at under 200 watts but it's also important to
have a filter, a digital sound processor is best but an active crossover is
sufficient for the task. I suggest a 2channel amp for the subs and a 4+
channel for the mids and highs, couples with a DSP you'd have incredible
clarity in addition to good separation for the sound


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: luvdemboomers]
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Like I said, a ported box is better for a small system. Throw 2 15s in a ported box and tell me what it sounds like. It's gonna fart. Plain and simple. For a little 10 inch sub that isn't amped high, a ported box will be fine, it won't hit the point of rattling so hard that it farts. But for a big speaker that is amped high, a ported box may sound louder but the quality is that of a fart.


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: ganjfather]
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ganjfather said:
Like I said, a ported box is better for a small system. Throw 2 15s in a ported box and tell me what it sounds like. It's gonna fart. Plain and simple. For a little 10 inch sub that isn't amped high, a ported box will be fine, it won't hit the point of rattling so hard that it farts. But for a big speaker that is amped high, a ported box may sound louder but the quality is that of a fart.


What the hell are you talking about. It's gonna fart? da fuck.
Sealed boxes generally have a flatter response but ported boxes can still sound good.

The size of a subwoofer doesn't matter when comparing sealed vs ported. Get any box modeling program and plot the gain of a sub in a sealed and ported box, if the parameters are the same for the different sized subs, the size and power makes no difference in the gain.

Edited by luvdemboomers (08/25/13 02:26 AM)

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Re: Subwoofers [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
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Probably talking bout port noise.

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Re: Subwoofers [Re: lil_demented]
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in home theatre, ported subs have higher output generally.

non ported subs can't play as loud, but dig deeper.  are "smoother"

This is all generally speaking.  There are exceptions.

Generally, in home theatre, sealed subs are better for music and ported better for LFE in home theatre applications.

You can get port chuffing on a ported sub if you play it louder than it's capabilities.

I know if I was to get into car audio, I'd go for a sealed sub.  Just personal preference.


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Re: Subwoofers [Re: Masked]
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Masked said:
I know if I was to get into car audio, I'd go for a sealed sub.  Just personal preference.



isobaric, smaller footprint


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