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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
That program was discontinued because such a small percentage of people tested positive, it wasn't cost effective.  LINKY.






that's bullshit that it's not cost effective, at $3 per test, if a welfare
recipient is dropped that's a savings of $6000 per year for an average of the
$500 cash assistance recipient. it states that 108 out of 4,086 that took the
test and 80 that canceled their tests, it's a pretty safe bet that they'd
have tested positive

so, at the average of $500, 188 people receive a total of $94,000. the tests
cost $3, so to test 4086 people, that's only $12,258 in drug tests. even on
the figure of 108 people failing, that's still 54,000 per month saved and a
total of $648,000 per year saved... so how again is it not cost effective?

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The salient point of the article, was that it appears that under 5% of welfare recipients were/are drug users.  At least in the state of Florida.

As far as overall cost effectiveness is concerned, you're assuming several things:  1.  The cost of the test.  2.  That a failed test results in loss of benefits for an entire year (e.g., rather than a loss until a "clean" result is provided), and 3. The amount of benefits a person receives.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
JoieDeVivre said:
That's such a fucking lie made up by the pigs to make drugs and poor people seem worse. Eat that shit up, don't forget that acid gets stuck in your spinal cord too! :lol:




are you saying that people dont spend welfare/foodstamp money on drugs?



The claim relayed in the OP goes beyond that, suggesting that welfare recipients are a key driving force behind marijuana sales. That's the part that's laughably unbelievable. Some welfare recipients undoubtedly buy illegal drugs, but I don't believe they buy the lion's share of marijuana sold. They just don't have the disposable income to buy all that much. IMO this is just an extension of the myth that nobody who has a job smokes weed (particularly in the US.) I've met a number of idiots who sincerely believe that this is true, both because of widespread drug testing and because marijuana "kills your motivation."

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
The salient point of the article, was that it appears that under 5% of welfare recipients were/are drug users.  At least in the state of Florida.

As far as overall cost effectiveness is concerned, you're assuming several things:  1.  The cost of the test.  2.  That a failed test results in loss of benefits for an entire year (e.g., rather than a loss until a "clean" result is provided), and 3. The amount of benefits a person receives.




the point of the article was to mislead us into believing it cost more than it
would save to drg test welfare recipients, maybe only 5% are users, maybe it's
only 2.5%, it doesnt matter. they're getting high from the government tit and
it needs to stop. in Ga, it's a loss of benefits for 10 years

we also shouldnt be paying for cars for welfare recipients, if they have a
car loan, fuck them, they dont need my money, if they have a new car that's
paid for, they can sell the car, get something older and use the remaining
cash instead of welfare.

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: Prisoner#1]
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So you want to take away poor peoples cars too? You sir are a gentleman and a patriot.

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: Shroomism]
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Az0th said:
All my money to weed goes on the 2nd week and last week of the month, but I work.

People on welfare don't buy weed. They trade food stamps /EBT money for drugs/alcohol.



Around here anyway people do sell their EBT cards for whatever. They normally sell them for pennies on the dollar cause, hey, it's not their money, right :lol:?

Sometimes crooked stores get in on the action too. There was a store owner around here recently that bought EBT cards for pennies on the dollar, went to a Costco like store, then bought items to resell for a profit.

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: Murph]
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Murph said:
So you want to take away poor peoples cars too? You sir are a gentleman and a patriot.



Perhaps they should get a job and perhaps they should manage their money better. They should also learn the difference between "needs" and "wants". There is nothing patriotic or gentlemanly about leeching off your neighbors.

If they're doing things like buying new cars and going on vacations. According to the state people were are spending welfare money in nail/hair salons and even in places like Vegas. I wish I could go to Vegas.

Edited by setb (04/11/13 06:13 AM)

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
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Prisoner#1 said:
the point of the article was to mislead us into believing it cost more than it
would save to drg test welfare recipients,



The article provided the numbers and laid out its case that indeed, drug testing cost more than it saved.  :shrug:

There are more complex analyses when you consider the result of cutting someone off of the federal tit.  What do these people end up doing as a result?  Maybe they get jobs and become contributing members of society.  Maybe people start robbing and mugging people.  Maybe women start whoring themselves and spreading HIV everywhere. 

There are plenty of scenarios where it could cost a lot more, or a lot less when providing for the drudges of society.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
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Prisoner#1 said:
JoieDeVivre said:
That's such a fucking lie made up by the pigs to make drugs and poor people seem worse. Eat that shit up, don't forget that acid gets stuck in your spinal cord too! :lol:




are you saying that people dont spend welfare/foodstamp money on drugs?



Are suggesting that weed is not a legitimate expense?


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: k00laid]
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k00laid said:
i spent a large portion of my unemployment benefits on drugs.


:feelsgoodman:



:noyoudidawet:


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When you’re lost, here I am. Forever with your soul


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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: setb]
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setb said:
Murph said:
So you want to take away poor peoples cars too? You sir are a gentleman and a patriot.



Perhaps they should get a job and perhaps they should manage their money better. They should also learn the difference between "needs" and "wants". There is nothing patriotic or gentlemanly about leeching off your neighbors.

If they're doing things like buying new cars and going on vacations. According to the state people were are spending welfare money in nail/hair salons and even in places like Vegas. I wish I could go to Vegas.




Well quit your job go on welfare maybe things will start looking up for you and you can get a sweet new car and take a vacation. I'm a single man whose never collected welfare but if I did I know it wouldn't provide me with even enough to eat and live indoors so I'd love to see somebody living this lavish welfare recipients life of new cars and Las Vegas vacations that apparently a breeze to pull off.

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: Murph]
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Murph said:
So you want to take away poor peoples cars too? You sir are a gentleman and a patriot.



Lmao
:lolsy:

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Prisoner#1 said:
JoieDeVivre said:
That's such a fucking lie made up by the pigs to make drugs and poor people seem worse. Eat that shit up, don't forget that acid gets stuck in your spinal cord too! :lol:




are you saying that people dont spend welfare/foodstamp money on drugs?



Are suggesting that weed is not a legitimate expense?



:laugh2:


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"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."

John C. Lily

 

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
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ch1ck3n.s0up said:
I saw a show once on the patterns of weed buying. The cops said that most of the shit moves at the beginning of the month--because that's when welfare checks go out.

Now, this is pure, uncut, unadulterated bullshit.

The working class is not paying taxes to support the drug habits of the people that don't work.

:kingcrankey:



The working class is by and large not paying taxes.


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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: TheHydrogenBomb]
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TheHydrogenBomb said:
do you know how much % actually goes to welfare?

,and how much goes to military?




In 2011 over $1 Trillion dollars of means tested largesse was handed out by the governments of the US with the federal government responsible for 3/4ths of it.  This does not include soc sec, medicare or veterans benefits.  Welfare.  A trillion dollars.  In one year.


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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
The working class is by and large not paying taxes.



In the U.S.A. they are.


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"Inspiration ~ Move me brightly ~ light the song with sense and color ~ hold away despair ~ more than this I will not ask ~ faced with mysteries dark and vast ~ statements just seem vain at last" --Jerry Garcia, Terrapin Station

"Officer, I'm going to remain silent, and I would like to speak with a lawyer. I'm not resisting, but I don't consent to any searches.

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
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The fuck they are.  Unless you are in the top 15% or so you are sucking tit.


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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: zappaisgod]
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Money is money who cares where it comes from. Something as small a that doesn't personally effect you say to day so why do you insist on bothering those people? Maybe that weed is all they got to get trough ? The amount of money the government gives you to live on is pathetic. 
I've sold my food stamps many many many times in exchange for the cash. I've always spent half on weed and half on other things like toothpaste and clothes.
And most of the people who get those checks for that reason smoke crack anyway , not weed.


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My Baby In MCLA


Fuckin Shit

Fuck that stay high

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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: The24HourMC]
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The24HourMC said:
Money is money who cares where it comes from.



You'd fucking care if it was coming from you
Quote:
Something as small a that doesn't personally effect you say to day so why do you insist on bothering those people?



As small as what?  Every year we pump out six figure checks in taxes and the government transfers a trillion of it to losers
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Maybe that weed is all they got to get trough ?



Tough.  Get a job or fuck off.  You get no drugs on my dime
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The amount of money the government gives you to live on is pathetic.


  It is too much at that.  It should suck
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I've sold my food stamps many many many times in exchange for the cash.  I've always spent half on weed and half on other things like toothpaste and clothes.  And most of the people who get those checks for that reason smoke crack anyway , not weed.



You should be in jail and forced to pay restitution.  You stole.


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Re: Spending Government/Welfare/Dole Money on Weed [Re: Shroomopotamus]
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Shroomopotamus said:
I use'd to know people who would use those poor people money card things at grocery stores to buy other people groceries & get their cash to buy weed.



Are you Ralf from the Simpsons?

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