Auto-SummaryThe term "square" originally meant "honest or direct," but evolved to mean "unhip" or "conventional" by the 1920s. The definition shifted from "direct" to "boringly conventional" over time. The phrase "Be there or be square" became popular in the 1940s-1950s due to the James Dean era's anti-establishment attitude.
MorphinTime said: It makes sense if you look back far enough on the usage of square.
Here's an answer I found that makes sense:
Quote: These days, calling someone a square is just another way of saying they're unhip or "not with it." However, the definition used to be a lot different. According to Phrase Finder, a square used to mean "an honest or direct person." The expressions "fair and square" and "square meal" are likely offshoots. The shapely saying didn't take a turn for the nerdy until the 1920s.
World Wide Words explains that during the '20s, people who didn't dig jazz were sometimes called squares. Jazz legend Thelonious Monk actually adopted the middle name "Sphere." Later, after World War II, the word took on its current, more broad definition, as in "Sheesh, that guy's such a square." The etymology experts believe the word's meaning changed gradually from honest to "boringly conventional."
The expression "Be there or be square" is sort of a half-joking ultimatum that works because it rhymes. It probably originated in the U.S. during the '40s or '50s and was made popular by the whole James Dean "Rebel Without a Cause" vibe, which preached that being square was about as uncool as you could get.
Some more phrases/idioms:
Off the chain Beast mode (I still use it) I think "epic fail" has been overused to the point where it could be added to this thread. Fo sho All of a sudden. I really prefer suddenly these days though when I was younger I used the former more often, probably to boost that word count for assignments. Happy camper I don't give a rat's ass Willy nilly Balls to the wall According to my calculations Yadda yadda yadda Same difference  Open/closed-minded. Mostly just because they're used as an ad hominem in arguments
MorphinTime said: It makes sense if you look back far enough on the usage of square.
Here's an answer I found that makes sense:
Quote: These days, calling someone a square is just another way of saying they're unhip or "not with it." However, the definition used to be a lot different. According to Phrase Finder, a square used to mean "an honest or direct person." The expressions "fair and square" and "square meal" are likely offshoots. The shapely saying didn't take a turn for the nerdy until the 1920s.
World Wide Words explains that during the '20s, people who didn't dig jazz were sometimes called squares. Jazz legend Thelonious Monk actually adopted the middle name "Sphere." Later, after World War II, the word took on its current, more broad definition, as in "Sheesh, that guy's such a square." The etymology experts believe the word's meaning changed gradually from honest to "boringly conventional."
The expression "Be there or be square" is sort of a half-joking ultimatum that works because it rhymes. It probably originated in the U.S. during the '40s or '50s and was made popular by the whole James Dean "Rebel Without a Cause" vibe, which preached that being square was about as uncool as you could get.
Some more phrases/idioms:
Off the chain Beast mode (I still use it) I think "epic fail" has been overused to the point where it could be added to this thread. Fo sho All of a sudden. I really prefer suddenly these days though when I was younger I used the former more often, probably to boost that word count for assignments. Happy camper I don't give a rat's ass Willy nilly Balls to the wall According to my calculations Yadda yadda yadda Same difference  Open/closed-minded. Mostly just because they're used as an ad hominem in arguments
MorphinTime said: It makes sense if you look back far enough on the usage of square.
Here's an answer I found that makes sense:
Quote: These days, calling someone a square is just another way of saying they're unhip or "not with it." However, the definition used to be a lot different. According to Phrase Finder, a square used to mean "an honest or direct person." The expressions "fair and square" and "square meal" are likely offshoots. The shapely saying didn't take a turn for the nerdy until the 1920s.
World Wide Words explains that during the '20s, people who didn't dig jazz were sometimes called squares. Jazz legend Thelonious Monk actually adopted the middle name "Sphere." Later, after World War II, the word took on its current, more broad definition, as in "Sheesh, that guy's such a square." The etymology experts believe the word's meaning changed gradually from honest to "boringly conventional."
The expression "Be there or be square" is sort of a half-joking ultimatum that works because it rhymes. It probably originated in the U.S. during the '40s or '50s and was made popular by the whole James Dean "Rebel Without a Cause" vibe, which preached that being square was about as uncool as you could get.
Some more phrases/idioms:
Off the chain Beast mode (I still use it) I think "epic fail" has been overused to the point where it could be added to this thread. Fo sho All of a sudden. I really prefer suddenly these days though when I was younger I used the former more often, probably to boost that word count for assignments. Happy camper I don't give a rat's ass Willy nilly Balls to the wall According to my calculations Yadda yadda yadda Same difference  Open/closed-minded. Mostly just because they're used as an ad hominem in arguments
Hmm interesting thanks.
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