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Iraq war recap
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1) Iraq deemed part of the Axis of Evil after September 11th. Regime change demanded by Bush administration. Alleged Iraqi links to Al Queda are put forth by Bush administration.

2) Regime change too controversial.

3) Objective is modified to the more politically-correct "search for WMD" and "Iraqi liberation" and "pre-emptive war"

4) Both republicans and democrats vote for the allowance of military action against Iraq.

5) UN begins search for WMD.

6) Bush administration sees the UN inspections as futile all the while insisting they have solid evidence that demonstrates Iraq posesses such weapons. Colin Powell even shows satellite images of supposed-moble WMD facilities during his presentation to the UN.

7) UN inspections end. Bush administration says the Iraqi threat to the US is too great to continue another week. "US must attack NOW!," says spokesman Bush.

8) US/UK bombings begin. Land war begins.

9) Iraqi military pretty much non-existent. Bagdad seems abandoned.

10) No WMD attack during war when the Hussein regime is facing annihilation. Israel isnt even attacked.

11) Still no WMD found. Searches and inspections are at best minimal. A few interesting sites are found, but none come even close to WMD. Those moble WMD-trucks are never found.

12) The supposed strong Iraqi links to al Queda are never validated/proven.

13) No WMD. Intelligence used to justify "pre-emptive war" shown to be manufactured.

14) Bush administration rhetoric turns to "how much more free the Iraqi people are today" and thus regime change justified.

15) US soldiers morale is very low. Soldiers are killed everyday now policing the streets of Iraq.

Gee - makes you wonder if the whole WMD, "America is under imminent threat" thing was just pretext for further development for the US as a global constable. I refer everyone to the PNAC statements to see what the foreign policy objectives the Bush administration/neocons wish to accomplish. All the while the democrats are somehow "anti-war" even though they authorized the president to go to war - goes to show you how much the Democratic Party are political whores.

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: iglou]
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Actually, regime change was first proposed by Clinton in 98, and congress backed him on it.

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: wingnutx]
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...but every thing else is fine... :wink:


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: iglou]
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iglou said:
All the while the democrats are somehow "anti-war" even though they authorized the president to go to war - goes to show you how much the Democratic Party are political whores.


I could not possibly agree with that statement any more.

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: iglou]
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Certainly makes it clear that democrat and republican parties are both firmly in the pockets of their corporate masters.

The amazing thing is how meekly the media accepted the complete bullshit WMD propaganda Bush was churning out. Scott Ritter was proclaiming the truth for years.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
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Scott Ritter was taking Iraqi funding and chasing 15 year olds for years.

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: wingnutx]
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sure he was... :rolleyes:


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Rono]
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By his own admission, Ritter accepted $400,000 in funding two years ago from an Iraqi-American businessman named Shakir al-Khafaji. Ritter used the money to visit Baghdad and film a documentary purporting to tell the true story of the weapons inspections

http://slate.msn.com/id/2071502/





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Ritter faced misdemeanor charges for trying to solicit an underage girl for sexual acts.

http://stacks.msnbc.com/local/wnyt/m264375.asp




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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: wingnutx]
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wingnutx said:
Scott Ritter was taking Iraqi funding and chasing 15 year olds for years. 


YOU BASTARD!

How dare you try and throw facts into the discussion.

Have you no shame sir?

:lol:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Rono]
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so where does "It's all aboot oil" fit in? :smirk:


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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wingnutx: why not show the rest of the quote? you left out alot.

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But this theory doesn't solve the Ritter riddle. Of the $400,000, he claims that only $42,000 went into his own pocket?which, if true, is a low price for the integrity of a former Marine who by all accounts was a zealot for his old cause. And Ritter didn't need to switch sides to make money. A few years ago, he had ample work as an Iraq-bashing TV analyst, lecturer, and author. As a Bush critic, he may be more visible, but he is certainly less employable; Fox News, for instance, dumped him as an analyst after deciding his views had become too pro-Iraq.

What's more, Ritter's conversion apparently began before he ever met al-Khafaji. In 1999 he published Endgame, a book that railed against the Clinton administration, labeled the sanctions against Iraq "evil," and suggested that the international community could do business with Saddam. It was only after Endgame was published that Ritter says he was approached by al-Khafaji. It's possible that Ritter took money from al-Khafaji, or some other ally or agent of Saddam, before writing Endgame. But there's no evidence of that.


Exactly - no evidence.

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Ritter faced misdemeanor charges for trying to solicit an underage girl for sexual acts.


Character assassination. Who cares? We are talking about Iraq not the personal life of Ritter.

luvdemshrooms writes:

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How dare you try and throw facts into the discussion.


What facts? Wingnutz did not put any forth.

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Innvertigo]
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so where does "It's all aboot oil" fit in?

In my opinion, oil was not the sole reason for the US/UK invasion of Iraq. The real reasons can be found in the PNAC document signed by nearly all of the war planners. Oil is simply a prize of war, not the objective.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: iglou]
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We are talking about Iraq not the personal life of Ritter.



If Ritter is quoted as a witness, then his behavior and background must be examined. Anyone can call up any number of dubious witnesses on damn near any topic, but the witness must bear scrutiny, so I try to leave the bad one's out of it. I admit that his being a ped may not necessarily have bearing on the case, but his financial dealings certainly do. His credibility is far from sterling.

I included the link instead of posting the document in it's entirety, as is SOP. It obviously wasn't much of a hardship for you to link on it.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: iglou]
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What facts?

Ritter admitted taking the money.



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It's possible that Ritter took money from al-Khafaji, or some other ally or agent of Saddam, before writing Endgame. But there's no evidence of that.


It merely says there's no evidence he took the money before writing his book, not that he didn't take the money.



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What facts? Wingnutz did not put any forth.


On the contrary, he admitted taking the money, and he was charged with child molestation.

Which as you can see....
" Scott Ritter was taking Iraqi funding and chasing 15 year olds for years. ....
is the only claim wingnutz made. Neither is in dispute, hence my line.



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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: iglou]
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In my opinion, oil was not the sole reason for the US/UK invasion of Iraq. 



don't tell Rono that or he might flip his lid..:eek:


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: wingnutx]
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His credibility is far from sterling.

Apart from the fact that he was right while Bush and his merry men were lying through their teeth.

Being right tends to enhance someones credibility in my book. Doesn't it in yours?


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
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While you would like to believe he's right, and he may very well be, there is no proof of that. Yet.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I wouldn't "like to believe" anything. Ritter said Iraq had no WMD, we have found no WMD.

"Belief" has nothing to do with it.



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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
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Just because they have not found them yet does not mean they are not there and you know that Alex.

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: shakta]
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Do you believe in the Loch Ness monster too?


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