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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
    #1769332 - 08/01/03 02:37 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
I wouldn't "like to believe" anything. Ritter said Iraq had no WMD, we have found no WMD.

"Belief" has nothing to do with it.



Since when has NOT finding something been accepted as proof that it doesn't exist?

It seems in your case, belief has everything to do with it.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
    #1769334 - 08/01/03 02:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How do you know for a fact that they don't exist. Quit being a jackass. You don't know, and I don't know. That is all there is to it.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
    #1769692 - 08/01/03 04:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I have never found a dinosaur fossil. I still believe that they exist. Please rework your logic.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: wingnutx]
    #1769721 - 08/01/03 04:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I have never found a dinosaur fossil

But someone else has.

I still believe that they exist

Because they have been found and can be seen in any museum.

Please rework your logic.

Where did you learn your "logic"? The back of a matchbox?


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
    #1769732 - 08/01/03 04:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Someone else has found anthrax in Iraq, at previous times and places.

Because they have not done so lately does not mean that they do not exist.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: wingnutx]
    #1769750 - 08/01/03 04:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That dinosaur fossil analogy bit the dust pretty damn quick didn't it  :lol:

We certainly know Iraq had anthrax in the eighties because the US was shipping it to him. 


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
    #1769758 - 08/01/03 04:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

No, that analogy is fine. Your density is the problem.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
    #1769768 - 08/01/03 04:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Iraq obtained veterinary anthrax samples from a university in the US.

What UNSCOM found was large quantities of weaponized anthrax. Some was verified to be destroyed, some was not.



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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
    #1769939 - 08/01/03 04:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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That dinosaur fossil analogy bit the dust pretty damn quick didn't it



Actually.... it didn't.

He hasn't found fossils.
Someone else has at some time.

Searchers haven't found anthrax.
Someone else has at some time.

Or are you saying that if no-one finds fossils for the next 6 months they no longer exist?


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1769949 - 08/01/03 05:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

wtf?  :lol:



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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
    #1769973 - 08/01/03 05:04 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone gets it but you. I guess you are acustomed to that though. :lol:


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: shakta]
    #1769990 - 08/01/03 05:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah everyone gets that there's no more evidence that dinosaur fossils exist than there is Iraq had WMD 6 months ago  :rolleyes: 


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1772160 - 08/02/03 06:52 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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That dinosaur fossil analogy bit the dust pretty damn quick didn't it



Actually.... it didn't.

He hasn't found fossils.
Someone else has at some time.

Searchers haven't found anthrax.
Someone else has at some time.

Or are you saying that if no-one finds fossils for the next 6 months they no longer exist?




The key words here are "at some time."

Let's review a little history, shall we?

There were inspectors in Iraq. They were searching for WMD. They were allowed to go wherever they wanted, whenever they wanted.

Bush and Blair, with no credible evidence WHATSOEVER, claimed that Iraq posed an imminent threat to the entire civilized world. Blair went so far as to tell the complete and utter lie that Iraq could attack within 45 minutes.

Because of this "imminent threat" the inspectors were forced out prematurely--by the US and Britain, not by Iraq--under the pretext that the US and Britain must attack immediately "before it's too late."

Even if some form of WMD are eventually found, the case that Iraq posed an IMMINENT threat to the west was a fabrication, pure and simple. Any truly imminent (that is to say, large-scale and readily deployable) threat would have been found by now.

Anyway, nothing has been found yet. Perhaps it may, who knows? But somehow I have the sneaking suspicion that even if nothing is found ten years from now you'll still be harboring this fantasy that it's all hidden in a cave somewhere.

It's called "denial." There are treatments. Or maybe you can just talk to Inny and ask him where HE found the strength to face reality and carry on.

Perhaps it has something to do with transcending your party affiliations. Blair, for example, heads the Labour party in the UK and would therefore be considered a liberal. That doesn't stop me from hating his guts. I hope the Labour party has the courage to replace him with somebody better. If they don't, I hope they lose big time to the Conservatives in the next parliamentary election. Anyway, that's how I would vote if I were British. The offense is serious enough that I would vote against my own party to set things right.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1772244 - 08/02/03 08:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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There were inspectors in Iraq. They were searching for WMD. They were allowed to go wherever they wanted, whenever they wanted.



Come on... they were often kept waiting outside of buildings they wanted to enter for periods of time, why?


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Anyway, nothing has been found yet. Perhaps it may, who knows? But somehow I have the sneaking suspicion that even if nothing is found ten years from now you'll still be harboring this fantasy that it's all hidden in a cave somewhere.



I've stated each time this subject comes up that I don't know if they have them or not. In response to questions on if he had them, why didn't he use them, with suggestions on POSSIBILITIES. So how is that fantasizing anything?


Perhaps those fantasizing are those who state as fact that there are no weapons?


So since you seem to have missed it, I'll say again,

I don't claim they have these weapons.

I don't claim they don't.

Either is a possibility.

Clear enough?


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1772387 - 08/02/03 10:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

LDS, do you believe the Bush admin KNOWS that they have WMD?


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1772400 - 08/02/03 10:26 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I don't claim they have these weapons.

And what about those dinosaur fossils? Do you still maintain the existince of dinosaur fossils is no more certain than the existence of WMD in Iraq in the last 6 months?


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Grav]
    #1772748 - 08/02/03 02:35 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Grav said:
LDS, do you believe the Bush admin KNOWS that they have WMD?



Since they have access to info I do not, and since I have no secret source in the whitehouse, nor do I possess abilities far beyond those of mortal men, I can only say I don't know.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Xlea321]
    #1772750 - 08/02/03 02:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
I don't claim they have these weapons.

And what about those dinosaur fossils? Do you still maintain the existince of dinosaur fossils is no more certain than the existence of WMD in Iraq in the last 6 months?



I suggest you re-read what I wrote as many times as necessary to grasp what I said.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1772769 - 08/02/03 02:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The obligation was on Iraq to prove that they had disarmed, not on the inspectors to root out hidden things. This is what Iraq agreed to do in the cease-fire, and then failed to live up to. Making the inspectors play hide-and-seek violates the terms they agreed to.

Significant quantities of weapons went unaccounted for when the first inspections regime left inthe 90s. Anthrax was there, now it's not. Iraq had the resposibility of documenting where they went, and instead offered that they had been destroyed with no proof or documentation.

That's you casus belli right there.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: wingnutx]
    #1773496 - 08/02/03 07:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How many treaties/agreements have the US/UK broken (or other governments for that matter)?

Anthrax has a short shelf-life. Whatever Anthrax Iraq may or may not have had would be nothing more than innocuous white powder prior to the US/UK invasion.

Where are the WMD facilities (ala North Korea)? Are there any internal documents proving they were in fact creating WMD? Certainly such endeavors would require massive infrastructure, which in turns requires lots of physical things like documents, at the very least.

Honestly, what level of resource and dedication and manpower are going into the search for these phantom WMDs? Just from the news, seems like the invaders are more interested in capturing Hussein and policing the streets of Iraq. Quite telltale of the US/UK motives (regime change, global hegemony).

If Iraq did indeed possess such powerful weapons, why didnt they use them when they were facing total annihilation?


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