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Invisiblewingnutx

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: iglou]
    #1774609 - 08/03/03 02:32 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Anthrax has a short shelf-life.




Nope. Anthrax spores can survive for literally centuries with no containment at all, buried in the dirt. Ask a veterinarian or rancher, or follow the link provided below.

If the US or England breaks a cease-fire agreement, then the other party has the right to resume hostilities with us.

AHRQ's Bioterrorism and Emerging Infections Site


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: wingnutx]
    #1775054 - 08/03/03 10:01 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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wingnutx said:
Significant quantities of weapons went unaccounted for when the first inspections regime left inthe 90s. Anthrax was there, now it's not. Iraq had the resposibility of documenting where they went, and instead offered that they had been destroyed with no proof or documentation.

That's you casus belli right there.




In that case the casus belli existed long before March 2003. Why then go through the entire charade of sending inspectors in?

In fact, if that's the case, the casus belli existed as far back as November, 2000. It sure would have been nice of Bush to have mentioned attacking Iraq during the presidential campaign so that the American people would have known what they were getting themselves into back in the days when their heads had yet to be clouded over by irrational terror.

The fact of the matter is that the "justification" that the administration gave for the war changed on a weekly basis. One week it's WMD, the next week it's some unproven link to al-Qaeda, and so on.

Even if there HAD been a legitimate casus belli under international law, which is certainly debatable, Bush still had a responsibility to present an accurate and undistorted case both to the U.S. Congress, which the founders strictly insisted should have the final say in all acts of war, and to the American people. That case was distorted to fit a predetermined agenda. Proof was claimed to exist that didn't. End of story.



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Invisiblewingnutx

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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1775702 - 08/03/03 04:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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In that case the casus belli existed long before March 2003.




Yes, it did. Iraq had been in flagrant violation for years, guessing correctly that no one had thw will to actually enforce the terms of the cease fire.

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Why then go through the entire charade of sending inspectors in?




To satisfy those in the UN and elsewhere that were bent on preventing the use of force at any cost. Dotting all the I's and crossing all the T's, so to speak.


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The fact of the matter is that the "justification" that the administration gave for the war changed on a weekly basis.




There was definitely more than one good reason to go in, and all were outlined from the start. The press like to grab onto a single issue and flog it relentlessly, much like they do with an annoying catch-phrase such a 'shock and awe'. They aren't very good at doing this with more than one concept at a time.

We live in a sound-bite culture and what is presented in the media is often just a fragment of the case actually presented. If you go by entire texts of cases presented by Bush or Powell on any number of occasions, you'll find an entire laundry list.

WMD's were at the top of the list, though, and that issue is far from over.


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Re: Iraq war recap [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1791138 - 08/08/03 06:55 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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In my opinion, oil was not the sole reason for the US/UK invasion of Iraq. 




don't tell Rono that or he might flip his lid..:eek: 




true there was an integraty issue aswell


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